OT: Obama photo causes huge stir

Eric Vey

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Eric Vey wrote:
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>>> news:484ef00e$0$12975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Eric Vey wrote:
>>>>> This really is over the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/was...obama-on-a.html
>>>> Other than here, never heard a word about (or saw an image of) it.
>>> Yet of course the Liberals will scream about how their love-bug was
>>> attacked by the vicious right wing propaganda machine. Which of
>>> course means that the fascist Liberals will invent another race war.
>>>
>> invent one? Son, how old are you? There has been a race war going on
>> as long as I have been alive. Anyone that denies it either is too
>> young to know better or is old enough to know they should deny
>> everything.
>
> Hell, all you had to do was watch the Democrat primaries! LOL
>
>

Son, how old are you?

Eric Vey

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
> news:g2mu5r$erf$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> Yet of course the Liberals will scream about how their love-bug was
>>> attacked by the vicious right wing propaganda machine. Which of
>>> course means that the fascist Liberals will invent another race war.
>>
>> invent one? Son, how old are you? There has been a race war going on
>> as long as I have been alive. Anyone that denies it either is too
>> young to know better or is old enough to know they should deny
>> everything.
>
> By all means tell us all about it.

What would you like me to tell you about?

Mike Jacoubowsky

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> What is the issue here? Looks like a normal guy out riding a bike. The
>> only thing I notice is that his tires haven't been inflated for a couple
>> of months. Don't the secret service folk know how to inflate a tire?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> Mike, you're just thrilled that he's on a Trek.
>
> The least he could do is buy a Madone from you. You could outfit him with
> a better helmet, pedals, shoes, shorts, and jersey as well.
>
> Actually, I presume that you're voting Republican, as the further the
> Republicans destroy the economy and drive up gasoline prices, the more
> bikes you'll sell.

Uh... no. I can sell hybrids (the bike of choice for those who want to try
bike commuting) all day long and not come close to paying the bills on this
place. And I will and do sell hybrids all day long. But $5/gallon gas
displaces a *LOT* of disposable income, and it's not as if someone has to
buy a $2500 road bike as a means to survive day-to-day life. Well, OK, maybe
you, maybe me, but we're not normal.

Probably the biggest effect of $5/gallon gas will be a withering of the
moderately-priced mountain bike market, with those sales moving to hybrids.
People will start to get more practical in terms of how they're actually
going to use the bike, and that's a good thing. What will be interesting is
whether we see a steep decline in high-end mountain bikes because people
won't want to spend the $$$ on gas to drive to the places they enjoy riding.
I don't actually think that will happen; I don't think our brains are wired
to make that sort of connection when we're dreaming about what we like to
do.

Still, it's a powerful message for road bikes that you can enjoy them right
out the front door of your house, no gasoline required.

As for political affiliations, I think TK can assure you I'm not a
republican.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> What is the issue here? Looks like a normal guy out riding a bike. The
>> only thing I notice is that his tires haven't been inflated for a couple
>> of months. Don't the secret service folk know how to inflate a tire?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> Mike, you're just thrilled that he's on a Trek.
>
> The least he could do is buy a Madone from you. You could outfit him with
> a better helmet, pedals, shoes, shorts, and jersey as well.
>
> Actually, I presume that you're voting Republican, as the further the
> Republicans destroy the economy and drive up gasoline prices, the more
> bikes you'll sell.

John Forrest Tomlinson

Tom Kunich wrote:
> I don't have any horse in that Republican race but surely you wouldn't
> vote for Obama whose sum value is that he is partially black?

You're such an ass.

Mike Jacoubowsky

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
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> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:fpD3k.7491$mh5.4470@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> Actually, I presume that you're voting Republican, as the further the
>> Republicans destroy the economy and drive up gasoline prices, the more
>> bikes you'll sell.
>
> I don't have any horse in that Republican race but surely you wouldn't
> vote for Obama whose sum value is that he is partially black?

No, I'd vote for him because he's partially reasonable. Which is a lot more
than I can say for most folk in DC. And I've met quite a few.

My thinking is that the republicans aren't serious about this election
anyway. They're putting up a throwaway candidate, someone they don't think
has that much of a shot at winning, and if he does, someone who probably
isn't going to go for a second term. They're hoping they can come up with
someone who's truly distinguished his (or her) self in some positive way
without the Iraq baggage (which is hopelessly tied to McCain).

They're also hoping that Obama is a lot more liberal than he probably is.
They're hoping he polarizes the debate, rather than works for a consensus.
If that's really what they think, I believe they're in for a surprise. He's
the most-gifted speaker we've seen in quite some time, and, in DC, style
*does* matter and *does* get things done. Substance is debated endlessly.
But gifted speakers can motivate people and draw them together.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
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> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:fpD3k.7491$mh5.4470@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> Actually, I presume that you're voting Republican, as the further the
>> Republicans destroy the economy and drive up gasoline prices, the more
>> bikes you'll sell.
>
> I don't have any horse in that Republican race but surely you wouldn't
> vote for Obama whose sum value is that he is partially black?

Bill Sornson

SMS wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fpD3k.7491$mh5.4470@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> Actually, I presume that you're voting Republican, as the further
>>> the Republicans destroy the economy and drive up gasoline prices,
>>> the more bikes you'll sell.
>>
>> I don't have any horse in that Republican race but surely you
>> wouldn't vote for Obama whose sum value is that he is partially
>> black?
>
> Hillary and Obama weren't my first choices, but of course I'll vote
> for him. McCain has far more negatives than Obama.
>
> Undoing eight years of W is going to be a daunting task for whoever
> gets elected.

Yeah, no attacks in nearly 8 years, record number of consecutive quarters of
economic growth (only NOW an issue since the slowdown...nowhere near a
literal "recession" btw), record high home ownership (esp. among
minorities), low inflation, low unemployment (below the averages of the 60s,
70s, 80s and 90s), low taxes especially for the middle class (upper &
lower), NO taxes for the poor, etc. etc. etc.

The Dems can only improve on that! LOL

Bill "new spectator sport: watching the media SPIN FOR BARRACK next 4 to 8
years" S.

Tom Kunich

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I don't have any horse in that Republican race but surely you wouldn't
>> vote for Obama whose sum value is that he is partially black?
>
> You're such an ass.

Well, this "ass" grew up in east Oakland. I went to a school that was mostly
black and most of my friends were black. The neighborhood respectable elders
were mostly black.

And then came the 60's and they were all shoved aside and told they were
Uncle Toms or traitors to their race.

Tell you what John - you vote for someone who hasn't a shred of reliable
record. You vote for someone whose friends include Weathermen and black
extremists. If you think that you'll get anything from that you're welcome
to try.

I don't want McCain in office because he's a stupid fool who would try to be
another Bill Clinton as far as national policy is concerned. If the
President is going to be an utter failure who in the end will be opposed by
his own party I'd as soon see Obama.

Bill Sornson

Eric Vey wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Eric Vey wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>>>> news:484ef00e$0$12975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> Eric Vey wrote:
>>>>>> This really is over the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/was...obama-on-a.html
>>>>> Other than here, never heard a word about (or saw an image of) it.
>>>> Yet of course the Liberals will scream about how their love-bug was
>>>> attacked by the vicious right wing propaganda machine. Which of
>>>> course means that the fascist Liberals will invent another race
>>>> war.
>>> invent one? Son, how old are you? There has been a race war going on
>>> as long as I have been alive. Anyone that denies it either is too
>>> young to know better or is old enough to know they should deny
>>> everything.
>>
>> Hell, all you had to do was watch the Democrat primaries! LOL
>>
>>
>
> Son, how old are you?

Old enough to know how long Democrats have been bigots, KKK members (oops,
sorry, LEADERS), and race baiting hypocrites. (Ask Michael Steele about
having Oreo cookies thrown at him...in my old home state, no less.)

HTH!

Tom Kunich

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
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>
> My thinking is that the republicans aren't serious about this election
> anyway. They're putting up a throwaway candidate, someone they don't think
> has that much of a shot at winning, and if he does, someone who probably
> isn't going to go for a second term.

McCain was put on to the bill by the Liberal Press and no one else.

Bill Sornson

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:yY2dnTtRaYmFlNLVnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fpD3k.7491$mh5.4470@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> Actually, I presume that you're voting Republican, as the further
>>> the Republicans destroy the economy and drive up gasoline prices,
>>> the more bikes you'll sell.
>>
>> I don't have any horse in that Republican race but surely you
>> wouldn't vote for Obama whose sum value is that he is partially
>> black?
>
> No, I'd vote for him because he's partially reasonable. Which is a
> lot more than I can say for most folk in DC. And I've met quite a few.
>
> My thinking is that the republicans aren't serious about this election
> anyway. They're putting up a throwaway candidate, someone they don't
> think has that much of a shot at winning, and if he does, someone who
> probably isn't going to go for a second term. They're hoping they can
> come up with someone who's truly distinguished his (or her) self in
> some positive way without the Iraq baggage (which is hopelessly tied
> to McCain).
> They're also hoping that Obama is a lot more liberal than he probably
> is. They're hoping he polarizes the debate, rather than works for a
> consensus. If that's really what they think, I believe they're in for
> a surprise. He's the most-gifted speaker we've seen in quite some
> time, and, in DC, style *does* matter and *does* get things done.
> Substance is debated endlessly. But gifted speakers can motivate
> people and draw them together.

Have you heard him speak without a teleprompter? 57 states, breathalyzers
for asthmatic kids, long stuttering streaks, etc. And that's not counting
his flip-flops, incorrect and flat-out made-up comments. No wonder he
avoids press conferences like the plague.

As for McCain, he's simply a horrid speaker. You can thank the northeast
media and New Hampshire "independents" (sabotaging Dems) for his candidacy.
Throw-away isn't the half of it.

Bill "time to hunker down" S.

Tim McNamara

In article <1uB3k.12110$co7.10416@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> What is the issue here? Looks like a normal guy out riding a bike.

Isn't that an oxymoron in America?

Ron Ruff

On Jun 10, 7:34*pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> SMS wrote:
> > Undoing eight years of W is going to be a daunting task for whoever
> > gets elected.
>
> Yeah, no attacks in nearly 8 years

This is hilarious! Where do you get this stuff?

Nearly 7 years I guess... but how many years did we go before that
without any attacks?

> record number of consecutive quarters of
> economic growth

BS truly. Apparently you didn't bother to look this one up. It is the
age of the internet... there is no excuse...

> record high home ownership (esp. among
> minorities)

And being foreclosed on at record rates!... not exactly "ownership" in
any sense... and personal debt is far higher than ever in history.

> low unemployment (below the averages of the 60s,
> 70s, 80s and 90s), low taxes especially for the middle class (upper &
> lower), NO taxes for the poor, etc. etc. etc.

The low unemployment rates are due to the fact that there are no more
unions and after your 6 months of unemployment benefits you are
officially no longer unemployed. Therefore if you do not want to live
on the streets, you must take any crappy job you can find. The working
poor certainly are still paying taxes... as always. Add to that the
obvious fact that W has run up huge deficits to finance his "tax cuts"
which overwhelmingly favored the richest people... the value of the
dollar is in the toilet, etc. Extremely irresponsible fiscal
policy...

Tom Kunich

"Ron Ruff" <rruffrruff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 10, 7:34 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> > Yeah, no attacks in nearly 8 years
>
> This is hilarious! Where do you get this stuff?
>
> Nearly 7 years I guess... but how many years did we go before that
> without any attacks?

Your point is taken Ron but tell me - do you suppose that once started that
they intended to stop?

> > record high home ownership (esp. among
> > minorities)
>
> And being foreclosed on at record rates!... not exactly "ownership" in
> any sense... and personal debt is far higher than ever in history.

So your position is that it is bad to own your own home? I've been looking
at all of the houses for sale in my metropolitan area and here's what I
see - the houses that are up for sale were vastly overpriced for their
quality or their neighborhood. People bought them mostly because they could
see the prices of housing skyrocketing and bought so that they would have
something that they could afford before the prices went out of their range.

After the property values started coming back down where they belong, people
realized that they owned more on a ratty house than they would pay for a
nice one in a good neighborhood and simply walked away from the loans. So
you dump your house and get another nicer one for cheaper under your
significant other's credit union instead of your bank loan.

> > low unemployment (below the averages of the 60s,
> > 70s, 80s and 90s), low taxes especially for the middle class (upper &
> > lower), NO taxes for the poor, etc. etc. etc.
>
> The low unemployment rates are due to the fact that there are no more
> unions and after your 6 months of unemployment benefits you are
> officially no longer unemployed.

Wrong. You don't disappear from the roles until over a year. We actually
have had a long period of very low unemployment.

Bill Sornson

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Ron Ruff" <rruffrruff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7195742d-d359-494e-8d91-1ce7277d8dc6@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 10, 7:34 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>>> Yeah, no attacks in nearly 8 years
>>
>> This is hilarious! Where do you get this stuff?
>>
>> Nearly 7 years I guess... but how many years did we go before that
>> without any attacks?
>
> Your point is taken Ron but tell me - do you suppose that once
> started that they intended to stop?

I plonked Ron because he's a moron, but does he really need someone to list
all the attacks in the '90s? As the 9-11 Commission put it, "They were at
war with us. We weren't at war with them." (Paraphrased...perhaps.)
>
>>> record high home ownership (esp. among
>>> minorities)
>>
>> And being foreclosed on at record rates!... not exactly "ownership"
>> in any sense... and personal debt is far higher than ever in history.
>
> So your position is that it is bad to own your own home? I've been
> looking at all of the houses for sale in my metropolitan area and
> here's what I see - the houses that are up for sale were vastly overpriced
> for their
> quality or their neighborhood. People bought them mostly because they
> could see the prices of housing skyrocketing and bought so that they
> would have something that they could afford before the prices went
> out of their range.

People also committed outright fraud, claiming super-inflated incomes with a
wink and a nod from lenders.

As usual, the admin is no win. Make things conducive for disadvantaged
borrowers; or don't and be called unfeeling (or worse, racist).

> After the property values started coming back down where they belong,
> people realized that they owned more on a ratty house than they would
> pay for a nice one in a good neighborhood and simply walked away from
> the loans. So you dump your house and get another nicer one for
> cheaper under your significant other's credit union instead of your
> bank loan.
>>> low unemployment (below the averages of the 60s,
>>> 70s, 80s and 90s), low taxes especially for the middle class (upper
>>> & lower), NO taxes for the poor, etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> The low unemployment rates are due to the fact that there are no more
>> unions and after your 6 months of unemployment benefits you are
>> officially no longer unemployed.
>
> Wrong. You don't disappear from the roles until over a year. We
> actually have had a long period of very low unemployment.

Ron literally can't handle facts. They really seem to stymie him.