Safety warning.

Pat

>
> As to why I clipped your post, I was trying to make a joke that revolved
> around the part I retained. I almost ALWAYS clip down to the relevant
> part, and I wish everyone would do the same. I get so tired of scrolling
> through several screens only to find a trivial one line bottom post.

AMEN! I get so tired of scrolling down 30 lines only to get to a one line
response such as:

I agree.

Pat in TX
>
>
>

Bill Sornson

Pat wrote:

> I agree.

Good to know.

Frank Krygowski

On Jun 11, 5:17 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> Leo Lichtman wrote:
> > I wish everyone would do the same.
>
> Whatever! :-P

See? The response was perfectly understandable. It's part of a
thread, and most of us have working memories. Those who forget can
simply read upthread.

Can you imagine a face-to-face conversation where someone felt
necessary to repeat every word you said before responding?

- Frank Krygowski

Leo Lichtman

"Pat" wrote: AMEN! I get so tired of scrolling down 30 lines only to get
to a one line
> response such as:
>
> I agree.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bill, you then clipped to the : "I agree." part, which, out of contest has
a totally different meaning. That's not the same as clipping for focus or
to cut bandwidth. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to win an
argument by obfuscation. Nice try, but no cigar.

Bill Sornson

Leo Lichtman wrote:
> "Pat" wrote: AMEN! I get so tired of scrolling down 30 lines only
> to get to a one line
>> response such as:
>>
>> I agree.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Bill, you then clipped to the : "I agree." part, which, out of
> contest has a totally different meaning. That's not the same as
> clipping for focus or to cut bandwidth. It looks to me like a
> deliberate attempt to win an argument by obfuscation. Nice try, but
> no cigar.

WHOOSH!

Pat

>
> "Pat" wrote: AMEN! I get so tired of scrolling down 30 lines only to
> get to a one line
>> response such as:
>>
>> I agree.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Bill, you then clipped to the : "I agree." part, which, out of contest
> has a totally different meaning. That's not the same as clipping for
> focus or to cut bandwidth. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to
> win an argument by obfuscation. Nice try, but no cigar.
Leo, he's in my killfile, so I don't notice his efforts at all....

Pat in TX
>

Zoot Katz

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:15:55 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
<l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net> responded to the usual BS:
\
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Bill, you then clipped to the : "I agree." part, which, out of contest has
>a totally different meaning. That's not the same as clipping for focus or
>to cut bandwidth. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to win an
>argument by obfuscation. Nice try, but no cigar.
>
I'm surprised this hasn't been x-posted to <alt.usenet.idiots> where
it would at least be topical.

Maybe I should have top-posted this to save scrolling and give Sorni
a shit hemorrhage so he basically ceased to exist.
--
zk

Tom Keats

In article <d4s3545tb8g73ef9gcbjgc0kfq8in980lb@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:15:55 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
> <l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net> responded to the usual BS:
> \
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Bill, you then clipped to the : "I agree." part, which, out of contest has
>>a totally different meaning. That's not the same as clipping for focus or
>>to cut bandwidth. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to win an
>>argument by obfuscation. Nice try, but no cigar.
>>
> I'm surprised this hasn't been x-posted to <alt.usenet.idiots> where
> it would at least be topical.
>
> Maybe I should have top-posted this to save scrolling and give Sorni
> a shit hemorrhage so he basically ceased to exist.

Getting back on topic: is Western plastic really
all that much better than Chinese plastic?
I mean, really? Is there a Rolls Royce of plastic?

AISI, there are two kinds of food-containing plastic --
that which is microwavable, and that which isn't.
Which is the "healthiest"?

What if you went to Wendy's and got a Chinese
plastic spoon-straw with your Frostie?

Maybe it's better to just order a burger with
extra tomato slices instead.


cheers,
Tom

--
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I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Zoot Katz

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:32:13 -0700, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom
Keats) wrote:

>Getting back on topic: is Western plastic really
>all that much better than Chinese plastic?
>I mean, really? Is there a Rolls Royce of plastic?
>
>AISI, there are two kinds of food-containing plastic --
>that which is microwavable, and that which isn't.
>Which is the "healthiest"?
>
>What if you went to Wendy's and got a Chinese
>plastic spoon-straw with your Frostie?
>
>Maybe it's better to just order a burger with
>extra tomato slices instead.
>
MEC is having a hard time keeping stainless steel water bottles in
stock. There was one vendor of Swiss SS water bottles at Folk Fest
last year. She sold out before the end of the second day but kept
taking orders for more.

My MEC bottles are all LDPE of unknown origin. They didn't stink
after rinsing. I dump and fill the bottle before leaving home so the
water hasn't been steeped in plastic.

I've a couple of aluminium ones too. A Zefal with a good spout design
and the other Chinese made one that doesn't work as well.

Having a $30 water bottle means you'd have to pack it with you when
you parked your bike. Carrying water bottles and sippy cups looks
moronic when people are walking down the street, IMO.
--
zk

Paul O

Leo Lichtman wrote, On 6/12/2008 4:15 PM:
> <snip>
> cigar.
>
>
>
Right on! I heartily agree.

--

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

Jym Dyer

>> Getting back on topic: is Western plastic really all
>> that much better than Chinese plastic? I mean, really?
>> Is there a Rolls Royce of plastic?

=v= No, not really. Lexan(R) was at one point considered the
"Rolls Royce of plastic," at least for water bottles, but more
recent research uncovered health problems with it. As for the
other plastics, again, here's that website:

http://www.ecologycenter.org/ptf/

That's a joint project of Greenpeace and the Ecology Center.
They developed a matrix of plastics and their known problems.

=v= For my own part, I'd probably have a stainless steel Kleen
Kanteen if I didn't already have a thrift-shop brass bottle
that matches my bike. I have a squeezable bottle (LDPE) with
a filter in the cap, and another insulated one for my visits
to cold places, but of course both of these have problems.

> Having a $30 water bottle means you'd have to pack it with
> you when you parked your bike. Carrying water bottles and
> sippy cups looks moronic when people are walking down the
> street, IMO.

=v= Well, they obviate the use of disposable cups. Personally
I think nothing's more moronic-looking than a disposable paper
cup with a disposable paper insulated cupholder and a plastic
cap on top.

=v= Also, there's a West Coast outdoors aesthetic where that
fits in just fine. Unfortunately it's largely been expressed
through Lexan(R) canteens, GoreTex(R)-treated Cordura(R) jackets
rated for a zillion degrees below zero, and, worst case, SUVs
with Sierra Club bumper stickers. A much-improved "feral"
version utilizes nondisposable stainless steel containers (and
utensils), hempen fibers, dreadlocks, and pocket-mulching.
<_Jym_>

ObFullDisclosure: I was on the Ecology Center's board of
directors when the Plastics Task Force got underway. Also,
I confess that I think ferals with dreadlocks are mighty hot.

Andrew Price

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:11:05 -0700, Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com>
wrote:

[water bottles]

>I've a couple of aluminium ones too. A Zefal with a good spout design

If it's this one you mean:

<http://www.decathlon.fr/FR/700ml-alu-bouchon-visse-17137170/>

I have a couple of them, and a 6 euros a piece, they're excellent
value for money.

Leo Lichtman

"Paul O" wrote: (clip)!(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More to the point.

Zoot Katz

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:56:02 +0200, Andrew Price <ajprice@free.fr>
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:11:05 -0700, Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com>
>wrote:
>
>[water bottles]
>
>>I've a couple of aluminium ones too. A Zefal with a good spout design
>
>If it's this one you mean:
>
><http://www.decathlon.fr/FR/700ml-alu-bouchon-visse-17137170/>
>
>I have a couple of them, and a 6 euros a piece, they're excellent
>value for money.

I don't know whether it's coincidence or just bad luck but I think
that bottle is responsible for breaking two aluminium bottle cages.
Its being rigid and slightly oversize might have contributed to their
failure. Though both, different brands they broke at the weld joining
the rod ends on the mounting plate.

The spout mechanism and vent works perfectly. The inside coating of
mine is still unstained and intact though I wonder how it would hold
up if the bottle got dented.
--
zk