OT: Obama engages in "risky" behavior

Eric Vey

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
Or
> even if it's really from Fox, because the clip is on a liberal site
> it's irrelevant.

Even if it were on a "conservative" website, it would be irrelevant.

Frank Krygowski

On Jun 13, 6:41 pm, Ecnerwal <LawrenceSM...@SOuthernVERmont.NyET>
wrote:
> In article
> <8974c3c4-006a-446a-a718-57cbd3a86...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One thing I will say for him: He's in synch with the typical
> > uninformed American "safety" ideas. That is - he's got the oh-so-
> > important headgear on; but in two of the five photos, he's riding on
> > the sidewalk, and (unless that's a one-way street) riding opposite the
> > flow of traffic.
>
> Around this town, with the exception of one busy pedestrian street where
> bikes are prohibited, and a couple that actually have a reasonable bike
> lane, the sidewalk is the place to be. One "bike lane" on a major road
> goes from 24" down to about 6" and is hard up against a concrete wall -
> not the greatest place to get yourself trapped, since it's also the
> inside of a corner. I go off the sidewalk where there are pedestrians
> actually using it.

When someone makes such a statement - in effect, "but the roads HERE
are really, really dangerous!!!!" - I'm usually very skeptical.

AFAIK, every study that's compared sidewalk riding with road riding
has found sidewalks to be several times as dangerous as roads. I
recall seeing ratios from 2.6 times to 13+ times as dangerous.

So where are you? Can you perhaps use Google Maps to show why your
area violates the usual physics? And are there no surviving road
riders?

- Frank Krygowski

Ed Pirrero

On Jun 13, 7:48 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 6:41 pm, Ecnerwal <LawrenceSM...@SOuthernVERmont.NyET>
>
> Can you perhaps use Google Maps to show why your
> area violates the usual physics?

He already described his situation, Frank.

You do realize that all stats have margins of error, right? Maybe, if
you thought really hard about it, you'd be able to connect that
statement with the one to which you are replying.

Good luck.

E.P.

Frank Krygowski

On Jun 14, 2:23 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 7:48 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 13, 6:41 pm, Ecnerwal <LawrenceSM...@SOuthernVERmont.NyET>
>
> > Can you perhaps use Google Maps to show why your
> > area violates the usual physics?
>
> He already described his situation, Frank.

He said: "Around this town, with the exception of one busy pedestrian
street where
bikes are prohibited, and a couple that actually have a reasonable
bike lane, the sidewalk is the place to be." You may believe that
there's a town where the sidewalks are safer than all but three of the
streets, but I'm skeptical, based (once again) on every comparative
study I've ever read on the subject.

But I am a bit surprised that even you would rush to defend sidewalk
riding!

> You do realize that all stats have margins of error, right?

I thought that was obvious when I gave the _range_ of results for the
studies I'd remembered.

> Maybe, if
> you thought really hard about it, you'd be able to connect that
> statement with the one to which you are replying.

My request was for Ecnerwal to tell us or show us where he is. That
would allow us to evaluate whether his area really is some special
case; or whether Ecnerwal is an unusually fearful rider; or some
combination of the two. Most of us know the second possibility is far
more common than the first.

If you're not interested in this information, try the option of not
reading the thread. I'm sure you're familiar with ignorance being
bliss, Ed. (Of course, that's more true for some individuals than for
others.)

- Frank Krygowski

Ed Pirrero

On Jun 14, 4:19 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:23 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 13, 7:48 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 13, 6:41 pm, Ecnerwal <LawrenceSM...@SOuthernVERmont.NyET>
>
> > > Can you perhaps use Google Maps to show why your
> > > area violates the usual physics?
>
> > He already described his situation, Frank.
>
> He said: "Around this town, with the exception of one busy pedestrian
> street where
> bikes are prohibited, and a couple that actually have a reasonable
> bike lane, the sidewalk is the place to be." You may believe ....

Try and stick to logic, Frank. Straw man arguments this early means
you're already backpedalling.

> But I am a bit surprised that even you would rush to defend sidewalk
> riding!

Of course, now you spend more electrons on yet another straw man.
Trying to imply, without qualification, that I would endorse or defend
sidewalk riding is a weak tactic.

> > You do realize that all stats have margins of error, right?
>
> I thought that was obvious when I gave the _range_ of results for the
> studies I'd remembered.

Then you do understand that risk is not monolithic for every locale.
Bravo.

> > Maybe, if
> > you thought really hard about it, you'd be able to connect that
> > statement with the one to which you are replying.
>
> My request was for Ecnerwal to tell us or show us where he is.

Yes, there was that component.

> That
> would allow us to evaluate whether his area really is some special
> case...

Of course, your evaluation over the internet would be a good
substitution for an experienced local's judgement.

LOL.

> If you're not interested in this information, try the option of not
> reading the thread.

That is one of the dumbest things to ever come from your keyboard,
Frank. But ad hominem arguments on the heels of straw men? Tsk, tsk,
Frank.

> I'm sure you're familiar with ignorance being
> bliss, Ed. (Of course, that's more true for some individuals than for
> others.)

I observe your writing in Usenet, Frank - I have seen exactly how
incredibly blissful you are.

E.P.

still just me

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:47:02 -0400, Eric Vey <junker@ericvey.com>
wrote:

>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>Or
>> even if it's really from Fox, because the clip is on a liberal site
>> it's irrelevant.
>
>Even if it were on a "conservative" website, it would be irrelevant.

Once you've been brainwashed (re: Snorti & Tom; two peas in a pod) the
truth and the facts are no longer an issue. They're just things you
need to talk around.

still just me

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:11:36 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
wrote:

> Scooter Libby not remembering who didn't tell him something; THAT
>caused an {unjustified} huge stir.)


He learned from the best. "I can't recall" Reagan was his mentor.

FYI - not remembering is one thing. Not remembering and obstructing
justice, that would be another.

still just me

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:32:32 GMT, Peter Cole <peter_cole@verizon.net>
wrote:

> but I still think Bush wins the prize:
>
>http://politicalhumor.about.com/lib...ushcodpiece.htm


That's no codpiece, that't the armor plated cup the president wears to
protect the Presidential jewels.