Before We See a Bike Friendly World

ComandanteBanana

We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.

So, we can wait for the world to notice us and open bike facilities
for us, but before we must part with the mentality that bigger is
better (SUVs) and that the sprawl is the ultimate solution to escape
the urban jungle...

I didn't want to talk about the monkey, but he knows all about
cooperative living...

What is a TND?

The acronym TND stands for Traditional Neighborhood Development, a
comprehensive planning system that includes a variety of housing types
and land uses in a defined area. The variety of uses permits
educational facilities, civic buildings and commercial establishments
to be located within walking distance of private homes. A TND is
served by a network of paths, streets and lanes suitable for
pedestrians as well as vehicles. This provides residents the option of
walking, biking or driving to places within their neighborhood.
Present and future modes of transit are also considered during the
planning stages.

Public and private spaces have equal importance, creating a balanced
community that serves a wide range of home and business owners. The
inclusion of civic buildings and civic space -- in the form of plazas,
greens, parks and squares -- enhances community identity and value.

For more information about new urbanism, see the article Welcome to
the New Urbanism.

Hey, you can even check such neighborhoods near you and take a spin
with your bike --which I plan to do.

TND Neighborhoods by State and Country

http://tndtownpaper.com/neighborhoods.htm


WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(reason #1000: because we need to live in bike friendly places)
http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

George Conklin

"ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>

Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
"European style" cities.

ComandanteBanana

On Jun 9, 4:16*pm, "George Conklin" <n...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> > and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> > neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>
> * *Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
> "European style" cities.

Not sure what you mean, that Europeans cities are mostly populated by
immigrants?

Well, they don't live in American style sprawls either. And before
they build they think about public transportation.

Tim McNamara

In article
<4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.

You do know that utopianism doesn't work, right?

Tim McNamara

In article <n6WdnXRM2u2_DdDVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
> ...
> > We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> > and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> > neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
> >
>
> Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
> "European style" cities.

What he's talking about used to be called "suburbs." Still are, for
that matter.

CJ

On 9 Jun, 21:16, "George Conklin" <n...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> > and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> > neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>
> * *Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
> "European style" cities.

It's true, there are also rather a lot of sprawling "American style"
developments in Europe, but the kind of urban environment he's talking
about is sufficiently common in most European countries for that to be
a useful label.

The interesting question is how will one transform into the other.

George Conklin

"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-C116B6.23492309062008@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <n6WdnXRM2u2_DdDVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
> > ...
> > > We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> > > and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> > > neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
> > >
> >
> > Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
> > "European style" cities.
>
> What he's talking about used to be called "suburbs." Still are, for
> that matter.

The book "Sprawl: A Compact History" makes the point that most residents
of Paris actually live in houses which we would call suburban (and he shows
pictures), but tourists only see the older parts of the city. The summer I
lived with a family near Paris showed that the houses had small lots, but in
fact were not what is usually called the "typical" old-fashioned European
city. The traffic jams in Paris attest to that too.

George Conklin

"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-E61BB3.23480209062008@news.iphouse.com...
> In article
> <4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
> > and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
> > neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>
> You do know that utopianism doesn't work, right?

Even in Europe when people get the chance to decompress they do so.

David Hansen

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:54:20 -0400 someone who may be "George
Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote this:-

>Even in Europe when people get the chance to decompress they do so.

That would be why house prices are much higher in the densely packed
central areas of places like Edinburgh, Paris and Amsterdam (to name
just a few European cities) compared to the less densely packed
areas outwith the central areas?

In these and other cities those who can afford to live in the
densely packed areas, it is the poor who are pushed to the "outer
darkness" low density areas.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Tadej Brezina

George Conklin schrieb:
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
>> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
>> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>>
>
> Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
> "European style" cities.

Where else do WE Europeans live? Come on tell it to me over the big pond!

Tadej
--
"Frauen sind als Gesprächspartner nun einmal interessanter,
weil das Gespräch nicht beendet ist, wenn nichts sinnvolles mehr zu
sagen ist."
<David Kastrup in d.t.r>

Tadej Brezina

George Conklin schrieb:
> "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-C116B6.23492309062008@news.iphouse.com...
>> In article <n6WdnXRM2u2_DdDVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> "George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
>>> ...
>>>> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
>>>> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
>>>> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>>>>
>>> Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
>>> "European style" cities.
>> What he's talking about used to be called "suburbs." Still are, for
>> that matter.
>
> The book "Sprawl: A Compact History" makes the point that most residents
> of Paris actually live in houses which we would call suburban (and he shows
> pictures), but tourists only see the older parts of the city. The summer I
> lived with a family near Paris showed that the houses had small lots, but in
> fact were not what is usually called the "typical" old-fashioned European
> city. The traffic jams in Paris attest to that too.

It is true that the one family house is common and popular, especially
in Germany, or in some regions of my native Austria (uppe raustria being
very strongly, rurally sprawled. But how much does the example of
continental Europe's biggest city of Paris cater for the whole system?

True, Europe isn't perfect either.

Tadej
--
"Frauen sind als Gesprächspartner nun einmal interessanter,
weil das Gespräch nicht beendet ist, wenn nichts sinnvolles mehr zu
sagen ist."
<David Kastrup in d.t.r>

Tadej Brezina

CJ schrieb:
> On 9 Jun, 21:16, "George Conklin" <n...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
>>> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
>>> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>> Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
>> "European style" cities.
>
> It's true, there are also rather a lot of sprawling "American style"
> developments in Europe, but the kind of urban environment he's talking
> about is sufficiently common in most European countries for that to be
> a useful label.
>
> The interesting question is how will one transform into the other.

Easy, although not easy to practically realise due to people's
addictions: erase the car as basis of all design elements, rules and
regulations and put the pedestrian, bike and LRT in.

For all the narrowed vision readers her: i didn't write erase the car
from the cities, but erase it as the dominator all rules are revolving
around.

Tadej
--
"Frauen sind als Gesprächspartner nun einmal interessanter,
weil das Gespräch nicht beendet ist, wenn nichts sinnvolles mehr zu
sagen ist."
<David Kastrup in d.t.r>

Tadej Brezina

George Conklin schrieb:
> "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-E61BB3.23480209062008@news.iphouse.com...
>> In article
>> <4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
>>> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
>>> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>> You do know that utopianism doesn't work, right?
>
> Even in Europe when people get the chance to decompress they do so.

bileveled bogus:
1. People do not decompress, but it is the geographically inherent
property of cities all over the world to almost all times (except for
eg. walled cities) that they, when there's no explicit physical
boundary, lose density from city level to rural level at its fringes.
3. Density is to be looked upon dually: high in neighbourhoods of the
economically weaker groups, but also high in central neighbourhoods of
wealthier groups.
Of course there are also peripheral settlements of poorer and rich elements.

Tadej
--
"Frauen sind als Gesprächspartner nun einmal interessanter,
weil das Gespräch nicht beendet ist, wenn nichts sinnvolles mehr zu
sagen ist."
<David Kastrup in d.t.r>

Amy Blankenship

"Tadej Brezina" <tadej_usenet@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:484e793b$0$28520$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> George Conklin schrieb:
>> "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
>> news:timmcn-C116B6.23492309062008@news.iphouse.com...
>>> In article <n6WdnXRM2u2_DdDVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> "George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4645c510-69ea-4097-93ef-68d02ec25dde@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
>>>> ...
>>>>> We need to be aware of things that must happen in the psychological
>>>>> and physical world, namely "small is better" and traditional
>>>>> neighborhoods, aka "New Urbanism" or European style cities.
>>>>>
>>>> Only a small percentage of Europeans live in what you like to call
>>>> "European style" cities.
>>> What he's talking about used to be called "suburbs." Still are, for
>>> that matter.
>>
>> The book "Sprawl: A Compact History" makes the point that most
>> residents
>> of Paris actually live in houses which we would call suburban (and he
>> shows
>> pictures), but tourists only see the older parts of the city. The summer
>> I
>> lived with a family near Paris showed that the houses had small lots, but
>> in
>> fact were not what is usually called the "typical" old-fashioned European
>> city. The traffic jams in Paris attest to that too.
>
> It is true that the one family house is common and popular, especially in
> Germany, or in some regions of my native Austria (uppe raustria being very
> strongly, rurally sprawled. But how much does the example of continental
> Europe's biggest city of Paris cater for the whole system?

I lived in a single family house (on a large lot, no less) in Germany. I
could still walk or bike to any place in town. And if you were willing to
spend some time at it, it was possible to walk to the next town as well,
though it was quicker to bike.