TUFO Tires - Pros & Cons ???

RicodJour

On Jun 9, 11:57 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/w.../tufo/PRD_29191...
>
> Did you notice that the longest time anyone used them was about 1000 miles?
> And they all talked about flats?

That's the usual case with the reviews on that site - a lot of people
post initial experiences instead of long term. On the flip side,
people are much quicker to post negative feedback, and the Tufo's
wasn't horrible. There were only a few reviews for that particular
Tufo, but one guy said he got 3000 on the front and 2200 on the rear
(I think - tough to tell as he appears to have left out the word
'rear').

I think the OP should buy one and test it himself. I've had products
which I liked which I would never would have bought if I read the
reviews beforehand.

R

landotter

On Jun 9, 10:53*am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
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> news:_dSdnUeQc8wS1NDVnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > Possible, that is why I am asking riders with experience.
>
> All kidding aside - they mount somewhat difficult. No big deal. However, the
> mount high on the rim and if you aren't nervous that they are essentially
> held on only with some air pressure and those somewhat questionable lips on
> the edge of the tire then perhaps you ought to have a hobby with something
> less likely to get you hurt.

Why make such a statement when you have no evidence to back it up? One
of the best reasons to run Tufos is their safety. If you do suffer a
puncture with them, they promise to deflate more slowly and stay on
the rim more securely than clinchers and can even be ridden totally
flat in an emergency.

>
> I bought a set and they're still down in my garage. I could never bring
> myself to actually ride something that can flat easily and can only be
> repaired with Slime.

I've been intrigued by these tires--the reviews have mostly claimed
average flat resistance to slightly above average and with pre-sliming
that goes up quite a bit. Not surprising considering the extraordinary
thread count and puncture resistant contruction.

>And might skip off of the rim in a hard cornering
> situation.

Evidence?

> I had enough problems worrying about sewups (ever see the crash
> video of Beloki?) and don't need the additional worry while trying to match
> Jobst's speed down hills.

If I was in the habit of throwing myself down alpine hills--I very
well might find Tufos to be worth the price. At $50 per at
biketiresdirect, they're not terribly dear, and they do offer some
rather compelling safety advantages, resistance to pinch flats, if no
palpable performance benefit.

Maple Tree

Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
retailers ??

Thank you

carlfogel@comcast.net

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>I've been intrigued by these tires--the reviews have mostly claimed
>average flat resistance to slightly above average and with pre-sliming
>that goes up quite a bit. Not surprising considering the extraordinary
>thread count and puncture resistant contruction.

[snip]

Dear LD,

The extraordinary 440 tpi thread count claim is probably achieved by
combining a pair of 220 tpi layers--that's what got Tufo in trouble
previously.

Other manufacturers who make true ~300 tpi tires were polite, but kept
pointing out that they counted their high tpi tires the normal way,
unlike a certain other company.

The Tufo claim was just marketing gone insane. They might as well have
advertised wearing two pairs of lycra shorts to achieve the smooth
feel of silk.

Here's an old post with more details:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....a02260c8c801dd5

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Kinky Cowboy

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 05:24:06 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>"Kinky Cowboy" <user@domain.com> wrote in message
>news:4tnp44hrd6sd54sl22e6o4iv5522po22uc@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:24:06 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>>
>>>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tir...php?seriesid=33
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>> Pro - light, ideal for weight weenie bikes which only have to perform
>> on the scales
>>
>> Con - rolling resistance, up to 10W more power loss in the tyres at
>> 25mph compared with the best clinchers
>
>Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?
>

http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm

e.g.
Tufo Elite Jet clincher 17.2W per tyre at 25mph
Bontrager Race X Lite Pro 12.0W per tyre 25mph

Note: 10W is more than the aero difference between a cheap Shimano
R560 wheel and a Zipp 808. In other words, if you fit Tufos to Zipp
808s, somebody can beat you with a $150 wheelset by choosing the right
tyres. Also, for any practical combination of slope and speed, the
Tufos would need to weigh less than zero to overcome their
deficiencies against any of the good ~200g racing clinchers from
Bontrager, Michelin, Vittoria, Veloflex

Other results from the same test series:

1: Even at 200psi, the Tufo can't match the Bontrager at 120psi. These
are smooth drum tests; I leave it to the usual argumentors to
determine how bad things would get on real roads if you had to run
200psi to be competitive :-)

2: The rolling resistance of Tufos gets worse after being repaired
(whereas a replacement tube is as good as the old one)

On the other hand, if you're only concerned with a pissing contest
with other weight weenies, the Tufo Elite Jet is 20-40g lighter per
wheel than the nearest competitor, so it has that going for it

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

RicodJour

On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
> retailers ??

Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
why Google doesn't work for you.
http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dea...?country=Canada

You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
(except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
retailers? Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
on people that ask odd questions. ~

R

Maple Tree

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:9fc8fc8b-5d92-4dd1-8c9b-735fbee01716@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
>> retailers ??
>
> Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
> why Google doesn't work for you.
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dea...?country=Canada
>
> You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
> tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
> (except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
> why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
> retailers? Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
> on people that ask odd questions. ~
>
> R

You should write a paper on A$$holes...it would make a great autobiography
~

MT

Kevin Metcalfe

Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.

http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm

Kevin

Maple Tree wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tir...php?seriesid=33
>
> Thanks

Maple Tree

>
> Maple Tree wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>
>> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tir...php?seriesid=33
>>
>> Thanks

"Kevin Metcalfe" <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> Kevin

Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
others.

RicodJour

On Jun 9, 5:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > Maple Tree wrote:
> >> Hello,
>
> >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tir...php?seriesid=33
>
> >> Thanks
> "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> > Kevin
>
> Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
> others.

Why don't you just hoist them up and buy a pair?* Then you can post
something meaningful. Or at least your approximation of
meaningful.

R

* I meant a pair of Tufo tires in case you were wondering.

Tom Kunich

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:a80190f2-9c86-4ea4-b080-c4a67c32f18a@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I think the OP should buy one and test it himself. I've had products
> which I liked which I would never would have bought if I read the
> reviews beforehand.

If I'd have thought about it I'd never have bought a set in the first place.
Listening to people here talk about how they stick to the rims is well and
fine unless you've had a tire come off of your rim at one time or another.

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:24:33 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>news:9fc8fc8b-5d92-4dd1-8c9b-735fbee01716@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
>>> retailers ??
>>
>> Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
>> why Google doesn't work for you.
>> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dea...?country=Canada
>>
>> You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
>> tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
>> (except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
>> why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
>> retailers? Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
>> on people that ask odd questions. ~
>>
>> R
>
>You should write a paper on A$$holes...it would make a great autobiography

At least he knows how to use the google.

Kevin Metcalfe

On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > Maple Tree wrote:
> >> Hello,
>
> >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tir...php?seriesid=33
>
> >> Thanks
> "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> > Kevin
>
> Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
> others.

The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
pit...

Kevin

dustoyevsky@mac.com

On Jun 9, 5:07*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:24:33 -0400, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> >"RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:9fc8fc8b-5d92-4dd1-8c9b-735fbee01716@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
> >>> retailers ??
>
> >> Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
> >> why Google doesn't work for you.
> >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dea...?country=Canada
>
> >> You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
> >> tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
> >> (except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
> >> why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
> >> retailers? *Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
> >> on people that ask odd questions. *~
>
> >> R
>
> >You should write a paper on A$$holes...it would make a great autobiography
>
> At least he knows how to use the google.

Well, he got in here somehow (that should step on a few toes), even
though anonymous (few more). Oops, I did it again.

Point being, he wants someone to send him a couple of pairs, free/
postpaid, and then sue the sender & hiers when they are not the tires
of his dreams. And call up the Mounties if one of them blows off at
220 (duh) lbs.

And yeah, I think that's a real fair assessment. Since he didn't
google the group for the info he wanted in the first place, and had a
hissy (or was that pi$$y) fit when I suggested such.

Tufo has been through rbt. They went through Austin, too, some years
ago. One apparently successful application, at least in my limited
time observing, was at Alkek velodrome in Houston, where the S3 or
whatever the name of that red tubular was, 165g or similar, was a tire
of choice ca. 2000. But that's a "miss" for the road semi-tubular
clincher tire.

The "concept" is attractive. Maybe compelling. Some use and enjoy.
Only way to find out if you're one of the lucky few is to buy a set
and proceed to Beta testing, see if you can make them work for you (or
else!). --D-y