The Starbucks in Sausalito is no longer that scary-sounding.

Ryan Cousineau

....but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
CO, well, don't bring a knife:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...encarry7-2008ju
n07,0,2510183.story?page=1

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Robert Chung

On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
> CO, well, don't bring a knife:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...encarry7-2008ju
> n07,0,2510183.story?page=1

Is this acceptable?

Ted van de Weteringe

Robert Chung wrote:
> On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...83.story?page=1
>
> Is this acceptable?

No. Not even for Trdina. Apaling!

Bill C

On Jun 7, 8:58*pm, Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid>
wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-opencarry7-20...
>
> > Is this acceptable?
>
> No. Not even for Trdina. Apaling!

They're idiots for a bunch of reasons but why is it appalling? Any
criminal isn't going to be carrying in plain sight until they're going
to use it for something. Once again the middle ground is somewhere
between these idiots and Massachusetts.
A few years ago here after they changed the laws a couple of local
police chiefs were areesting hunters and confiscati ng their weapons
as they carried them "on a public way" when they got out of their cars
and stepped onto the pavement to lock them in their trunks as required
to leave the car. By law any weapon has to be in a locked case if you
are near a public way. Makes it tough to hunt pheasants and such out
on the dirt farm roads, which are almost all public ways here.
These are the same idiots who's last set of laws made a criminal of
the Speaker of the Mass. House for the Revolutionary War musket that
hangs in the State house. Under his latest idiocy, he was responsible
for it being improperly secured. The Gun Owners Action League asked
the A.G. to enforce the law, and they cited him. The next day the
exempted themselves from the law.
That seems to be pretty common among the anti-gun elites. One of
them, Rosie I think, was commenting that people don't need guns they
can just hire bodyguards. Both Fienstein and Boxer have concealed
carry, personal protection permits, that you can't get. They say it's
because they are more important than you.
Plenty of idiots to go around on this including at the NRA.
Bill C

dustoyevsky@mac.com

On Jun 7, 6:38*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
> > CO, well, don't bring a knife:
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-opencarry7-20...
> > n07,0,2510183.story?page=1
>
> Is this acceptable?

I hope Queeksdraw there knows the hammer is supposed to be resting on
an open chamber.

Security snap loop, on!

Barrel, long!

Odds of successfully using that hogleg to defend yourself against a
mugger*, pretty low!

*new gang initiation-- kill someone with their own gun. Much more
macho than a pansy-ass drive-by, any day! --D-y

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On Jun 8, 9:24*pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 6:38*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
> > > CO, well, don't bring a knife:
>
> > >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-opencarry7-20....
> > > n07,0,2510183.story?page=1
>
> > Is this acceptable?
>
> I hope Queeksdraw there knows the hammer is supposed to be resting on
> an open chamber.
>
> Security snap loop, on!
>
> Barrel, long!
>
> Odds of successfully using that hogleg to defend yourself against a
> mugger*, pretty low!
>
> *new gang initiation-- kill someone with their own gun. Much more
> macho than a pansy-ass drive-by, any day! *--D-y

You're thinking about practical considerations. I don't
get the impression practicality is really No. 1 here.
Even in the Wild West, didn't some saloons say "check
your weapons at the door"?

I live in Arizona, which is a concealed-carry state.
A friend of mine's out-of-state brother-in-law is, as he said,
"from the hood," and one of his survival skills is noting
unusual bulges. He visited and went to the supermarket
with his sister, and kept nudging her and saying, "Hey,
that guy's packing!" I guess even in the hood, they don't
all carry in the supermarket.

I'm still hopeful that the state congerzmen won't overturn
our weapon ban on campus. Undergraduates + guns
doesn't strike me as a good combo. Sure, professors who
packed would probably have to deal with fewer arguments
from grade-grubbing premeds, but I'll take that tradeoff.

Finally, though, and obviously you need open-carry, not
concealed for this, there are claims that riding bike with
heat cuts down on the hassles from cagers. And hey,
Cabela's now has a carbon fiber holster.

Ben

Howard Kveck

In article <afdd2688-982c-4c52-b097-239328cdc5c1@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On Jun 8, 9:24*pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 6:38*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > ...but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
> > > > CO, well, don't bring a knife:
> >
> > > >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-opencarry7-20...
> > > > n07,0,2510183.story?page=1
> >
> > > Is this acceptable?
> >
> > I hope Queeksdraw there knows the hammer is supposed to be resting on
> > an open chamber.
> >
> > Security snap loop, on!
> >
> > Barrel, long!
> >
> > Odds of successfully using that hogleg to defend yourself against a
> > mugger*, pretty low!
> >
> > *new gang initiation-- kill someone with their own gun. Much more
> > macho than a pansy-ass drive-by, any day! *--D-y
>
> You're thinking about practical considerations. I don't
> get the impression practicality is really No. 1 here.
> Even in the Wild West, didn't some saloons say "check
> your weapons at the door"?

I'd bet the people who're in favor of open carry have a different opinion in this
situation:

http://tinyurl.com/4y9j4v

> I live in Arizona, which is a concealed-carry state.
> A friend of mine's out-of-state brother-in-law is, as he said,
> "from the hood," and one of his survival skills is noting
> unusual bulges. He visited and went to the supermarket
> with his sister, and kept nudging her and saying, "Hey,
> that guy's packing!" I guess even in the hood, they don't
> all carry in the supermarket.
>
> I'm still hopeful that the state congerzmen won't overturn
> our weapon ban on campus. Undergraduates + guns
> doesn't strike me as a good combo. Sure, professors who
> packed would probably have to deal with fewer arguments
> from grade-grubbing premeds, but I'll take that tradeoff.

After the second big school shooting a few months ago (Northern Illinois
University), a bunch of the all guns, all the time types got it into their heads to
start saying that everyone at those schools should be *required* to carry at all
times to prevent those kinds of things from happening. I thought about the case of
Amadou Diallo - the police who shot him were trained and required to go to the range
and show some level of proficiency, yet they only got 19 hits out of 41 shots (yes,
"only" was more than enough to do the job). Can you imagine the results of a bunch of
people who aren't trained to the (alleged) levels of proficiency of the cops blasting
away in a situation like the Virginia Tech or Northern Illinois University?

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Bill C

On Jun 9, 2:55*am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

>
> * *After the second big school shooting a few months ago (Northern Illinois
> University), a bunch of the all guns, all the time types got it into theirheads to
> start saying that everyone at those schools should be *required* to carry at all
> times to prevent those kinds of things from happening. I thought about thecase of
> Amadou Diallo - the police who shot him were trained and required to go tothe range
> and show some level of proficiency, yet they only got 19 hits out of 41 shots (yes,
> "only" was more than enough to do the job). Can you imagine the results ofa bunch of
> people who aren't trained to the (alleged) levels of proficiency of the cops blasting
> away in a situation like the Virginia Tech or Northern Illinois University?
>
> --
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard
>
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody pubs are bloody dull
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody clubs are bloody full
> * * * * * * * * * *Of bloody girls and bloody guys
> * * * * * * * * * *With bloody murder in their eyes
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Let's face it Howard cops are about the worst people to be running
around with guns. Take the bad attitude, and then combine that with a
total lack of will to learn or practice, "'cause I already know my
shit!" and they are a disaster looking for a place to happen. It's not
all of them, but a ton. Especially in urbanized areas where firearms
aren't part of everyday life, and finding somewhere to shoot is a
hassle. They do qualification once a year, if they show for it, and
thats about it.
The closest range here, is 10 minutes away. I won't use it. It's the
local club for all the cops. There's more drinking than shooting
happening there, despite the rules banning alcohol. "Hey, we are the
law, so STFU!". It's expensive, unless you are a cop, and filled with
the worst of the bunch so I drive about an hour out into the hills to
a small town range that's more likely to have a family, or a class for
kids going on, or be empty.
All that aside it's ridiculous to deny people the right to defend
themselves. For years Mass. law said that if someone breaks into your
house, you HAVE TO escape, no other options, and they did criminalise
the people living there. You were required to abandon your property
under penalty of the State. That's been changes to be more reasonable
now, but you are still more likely to face charges, or a lawsuit here,
than the intruder if you don't abandon your property to them.
mandatory cary is, what it plainly is, an extremist political ploy,
and insane in reality.
People don't want to face the issue that it's society that's the
problem, not the tools. Vt. has almost no violent crime/firearm crime
and has very libertatian laws. Most places getting a pistol, legally,
is a lot tougher than getting booze/drugs and a car, and the stats
show the results from it.
Now lots of places are into knife bans, nothing over 3 inches out on
the street. OK, how do I get my new kitchen set home without breaking
the law, or being harrassed by some prick cop with a problem? We gonna
allow for, no cause, random searches to try and disarm the criminals,
and those folks who haven't registered their stuff?
Make the screening, complete, make folks complete a good training
course, make them retest and do refresher training if you want, then
let the law abiding folks have what the criminals already do.
All these laws do is hammer law abiding folks, criminals by
definition dont obey them. Then due to overcrowding the mandatory
firearms offenses get plea-bargained away, if they aren't actually
used on someone, to keep the jail space open.
More freedom for responsible people is always a good thing.
Bill C

Bill C

On Jun 9, 2:55*am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <afdd2688-982c-4c52-b097-239328cdc...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,

>
> * *I'd bet the people who're in favor of open carry have a different opinion in this
> situation:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4y9j4v

My opinion is that you're probably right, make it a pic of an anti-
government, all white militia and they would have a different opinion
too, for the most part is my guess. There'd be the few wingnut
libertarians arguing that the right should be abridged in any way,
even after murder convictions, etc...though.


>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard
>
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody pubs are bloody dull
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody clubs are bloody full
> * * * * * * * * * *Of bloody girls and bloody guys
> * * * * * * * * * *With bloody murder in their eyes
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bill C

Michael Press

In article
<947c24be-76e5-46ba-a7c1-d2f66ba12c87@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"dustoyevsky@mac.com" <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:

> On Jun 7, 6:38*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ...but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
> > > CO, well, don't bring a knife:
> >
> > >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-opencarry7-20...
> > > n07,0,2510183.story?page=1
> >
> > Is this acceptable?
>
> I hope Queeksdraw there knows the hammer is supposed to be resting on
> an open chamber.

Naw. Rest the hammer between two chambers if you think it matters.

--
Michael Press

Paul G.

On Jun 9, 11:32 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <947c24be-76e5-46ba-a7c1-d2f66ba12...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 6:38 pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 7, 3:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > ...but if anyone offers to meet you at the the Starbucks in Westminster,
> > > > CO, well, don't bring a knife:
>
> > > >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...a-opencarry7-20...
> > > > n07,0,2510183.story?page=1
>
> > > Is this acceptable?
>
> > I hope Queeksdraw there knows the hammer is supposed to be resting on
> > an open chamber.
>
> Naw. Rest the hammer between two chambers if you think it matters.
>
> --
> Michael Press

Hell yeah. Even "grandma gun nut" knows safety is for wusses:

"Girl shoots herself with grandma's gun at SC store

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A 4-year-old girl shot herself in the chest Monday
after snatching her grandmother's handgun from the woman's purse while
riding in a shopping cart at a Sam's Club store, authorities said.

Concealed weapons permit holders in South Carolina are not allowed to
carry weapons into buildings that prohibit it, or into government
buildings, schools and daycare facilities, among other places. The
Sam's Club store does not have a sign prohibiting guns inside."

It amazes me how often these guns people have "fer safety, cuz uv all
the nuts out there wif gunz" end up shooting family members.
-Paul

Donald Munro

Paul G. wrote:
> Hell yeah. Even "grandma gun nut" knows safety is for wusses:
>
> "Girl shoots herself with grandma's gun at SC store
>
> COLUMBIA, S.C. - A 4-year-old girl shot herself in the chest Monday after
> snatching her grandmother's handgun from the woman's purse while riding in
> a shopping cart at a Sam's Club store, authorities said.

At least she didn't have an Uzi in her purse.

Bill C

On Jun 9, 10:31*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

>
> It amazes me how often these guns people have "fer safety, cuz uv all
> the nuts out there wif gunz" end up shooting family members.
> -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's not as often as they are used in self defense, but most of this
shit is totally criminal. Grandam needs to be tried for reckless
endangerment of a child, at a minimum, and this shit about how she
feels bad, and seeing her kid wounded is enough punishment, isn't.
It's really sad that common sense is so uncommon because freedoms and
responsibilty go together and morons like this don't help the cause.
Rant on for a second.
NOTE You got kids keeps the shit seriously locked up, with the ammo
locked seperately, or under your direct, immediate, continuous
control, and then lock the shit up when you aren't using it.
If you live in a low/moderate crime area and have kids playing Rambo
and leaving the shit "stashed" around the house for "Fast access" is
gonna get your kid, or other kids killed.
Lock the shit up. They make shrinks to treat unfounded fear/anxiety
disorders, not guns. Go see one.
Hint, do the same things with the keys to the safes, and locks. Use a
combo lock box for the safe keys so nothing is laying around. Weld the
emergency keyhole shut, boxes are cheap compared to lives. Makes it
almost impossible to pick, and if the box goes missing you KNOW
something is up. Keep a spare key, either at the bank, or someone
elses house.
Just another note from experience; If you do things this way and the
cops have to deal with something at your house they won't freak out
over the firearms. They will ask if there are any in the house, and
where they are, and how they are stored, guaranteed.
Bill C

Paul G.

On Jun 10, 4:57 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 10:31 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It amazes me how often these guns people have "fer safety, cuz uv all
> > the nuts out there wif gunz" end up shooting family members.
> > -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It's not as often as they are used in self defense

I think that wildly improbable. Most murders are committed by someone
the victim knows. Google "murder suicide" or "shoots wife" and see how
many hits you get.
-Paul