OT: Environmentalists

still just me

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:33:39 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
wrote:

>2) Even though you're being convinced by other Fascists that business is
>evil, it is NORMAL PEOPLE who have invented and continue to insist on zoning
>laws that lock housing farther and farther away from businesses. That
>requires more and more commuting and more fuel usage.

You might want to look up the definition of Fascism before using it in
a sentence.

Tom Kunich

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:33:39 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
>>2) Even though you're being convinced by other Fascists that business is
>>evil, it is NORMAL PEOPLE who have invented and continue to insist on
>>zoning
>>laws that lock housing farther and farther away from businesses. That
>>requires more and more commuting and more fuel usage.
>
> You might want to look up the definition of Fascism before using it in
> a sentence.

Apparently you could use a bit of your own suggestions.

r15757@aol.com

On Jun 8, 12:19 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:

> You once again exceed your own standards of cluelessness. Well done.

Tell me what you think is clueless so I can make fun of you more
properly.

Bill Sornson

r15757@aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 8, 12:19 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:

>> You once again exceed your own standards of cluelessness. Well done.

> Tell me what you think is clueless so I can make fun of you more
> properly.

I would but you conveniently DELETED everything you wrote! LOL

Bill "can't say that I blame you" S.

Tom Kunich

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
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> r15757@aol.com wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 12:19 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>
>>> You once again exceed your own standards of cluelessness. Well done.
>
>> Tell me what you think is clueless so I can make fun of you more
>> properly.
>
> I would but you conveniently DELETED everything you wrote! LOL

Can't say that wasn't a bit clueless.....

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:35:40 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
wrote:

>r15757@aol.com wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 12:19 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>
>>> You once again exceed your own standards of cluelessness. Well done.
>
>> Tell me what you think is clueless so I can make fun of you more
>> properly.
>
>I would but you conveniently DELETED everything you wrote!

Bill, I've tried to explain it to you before and though it didn't
work, I'll try again. Here goes:

The internet is a shared resource, and usenet postings exist on many
computers. They exist on a variety of news servers, they exist on
web-based archives such as a via Google groups and, often, they even
exist on your own computer.

So while it may appear that someone has deleted something, they
haven't removed it from everywhere. Copies exist. If what they
deleted is a portion of something you wrote, you can probably find it
in the outbox of your newsreader. Take a look.

Paul M. Hobson

Tom Kunich wrote:
> At one time experience was valued. Now only education is valued and
> often it demonstrates a sort of ignorance hard to understand by "normal"
> people. I had to choose to hire between 15 college educated engineers
> and I couldn't find ONE of them that actually could engineer anything.

I blame that on the seemingly nationwide* switch from quarters to semesters.

*Are the CA schools still on quarters?

\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
..:change the f to ph to reply:.

Tom Kunich

"Paul M. Hobson" <fobson@gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> At one time experience was valued. Now only education is valued and often
>> it demonstrates a sort of ignorance hard to understand by "normal"
>> people. I had to choose to hire between 15 college educated engineers and
>> I couldn't find ONE of them that actually could engineer anything.
>
> I blame that on the seemingly nationwide* switch from quarters to
> semesters.
>
> *Are the CA schools still on quarters?

I blame it on the failure to hire good teachers.

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Tom Kunich wrote:

>>> At one time experience was valued. Now only education is valued
>>> and often it demonstrates a sort of ignorance hard to understand
>>> by "normal" people. I had to choose to hire between 15 college
>>> educated engineers and I couldn't find ONE of them that actually
>>> could engineer anything.

>> I blame that on the seemingly nationwide* switch from quarters to
>> semesters.

>> *Are the CA schools still on quarters?

> I blame it on the failure to hire good teachers.

I think blame lies with the attitude of students. One that the school
is responsible for their learning, hand feeding them with "facts", a
mode to which they have become previously accustomed. I also found in
my education that there are many students who can pass exams but are
not skilled in the application of the theory they can repeat for the
exam. The best engineers I met were seldom students at the top of the
honor roll.

Jobst Brandt

Jay Beattie

On Jun 7, 4:14*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "A Muzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
>
> news:54589$484b146a$1873@news.teranews.com...
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I wonder what these idiots think about when someone tells them that we
> >> used mercurochrome as an antiseptic for half a century.
>
> > How about a couple million grammar-school-age boys (like me) who had a
> > small container of liquid mercury and played around with it often?
> > Metallic mercury is relatively inert - it's the active compounds which are
> > dangerous.
>
> > no common sense any more.
>
> This appears to be what happens when the education system is taken over by
> the Marxists (who even told us they were going to do it) and then most
> subjects are simply not taught any more.

It's not the Marxists -- they did a good job and produced some first
class scientists, like Oppenheimer.
Dumbing down can much later with the shift to affective education in
the '70s, IMO. I was getting my secondary credential at the time and
was amazed at the shift from content knowledge and application to
feeling good about ones self. -- Jay Beattie.

Tom Kunich

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I blame it on the failure to hire good teachers.
>
> I think blame lies with the attitude of students. One that the school
> is responsible for their learning, hand feeding them with "facts", a
> mode to which they have become previously accustomed. I also found in
> my education that there are many students who can pass exams but are
> not skilled in the application of the theory they can repeat for the
> exam. The best engineers I met were seldom students at the top of the
> honor roll.

I will completely agree with you that I've seldom found a good engineer that
was a great student. Most people that turn into good engineers are a good
bit more interested in things other than tests.

Tom Kunich

"Jay Beattie" <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 4:14 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > This appears to be what happens when the education system is taken over
> > by
> > the Marxists (who even told us they were going to do it) and then most
> > subjects are simply not taught any more.
>
> It's not the Marxists -- they did a good job and produced some first
> class scientists, like Oppenheimer.

Uh, which Oppenheimer are you talking about? Robert and family were
socialists. Franz Oppenheimer was also a socialist. Stephen Oppenheimer and
Frank Oppenheimer weren't politically loud so I don't know what their
politics were.

> Dumbing down can much later with the shift to affective education in
> the '70s, IMO. I was getting my secondary credential at the time and
> was amazed at the shift from content knowledge and application to
> feeling good about ones self.

A lot of it was directed from the forward desk. Because 90% of teachers are
just teachers doesn't mean you can ignore the 10% who are political
saboteurs. Communists announced that they would take over the schools and
teach socialism to our children and they simply did it.

Question - how is it that someone like Angela Davis could be allowed to
teach children?

Peter Cole

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
>> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
>> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For now.
>>
>> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
>> plate and pay his share starting right now.
>
> If not too busy doing this:
>
> http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent
>
>

Fluorescent bulbs have been used in large quantities for decades, there
has always been a problem of mercury contamination from disposal/breakage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac...cury_emissions:

"According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), when coal power
is used, less mercury is released when fluorescent lamps are used, even
including mercury in the lamps."

"The Albany Times Union reported that the annual mercury emissions of a
single cement plant amounted to 400 pounds.[50] That amount roughly
corresponds to the mercury content in 4,500 million compact fluorescent
lamps."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_power_plant:

"Trace amounts of mercury exist in coal and other fossil fuels.[12] When
these fuels burn, toxic mercury is released which accumulates in food
chains and is especially harmful to aquatic ecosystems. The worldwide
emission of mercury from both natural and human sources was an estimated
5,500 tons in 1995.[12] U.S. coal-fired plants emit an estimated 48 tons
annually, which is approximately 1/3 of all mercury emitted into the air
by human activity in the U.S.[12] In contrast, China's coal-fired power
plants emitted an estimated 68 tons of mercury in 1999, which was about
38% of Chinese human-generated mercury emissions."

Peter Cole

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
> news:484b0086$0$31743$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
>>> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
>>> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For now.
>>>
>>> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
>>> plate and pay his share starting right now.
>>
>> If not too busy doing this:
>>
>> http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent
>
> I wonder what these idiots think about when someone tells them that we
> used mercurochrome as an antiseptic for half a century.
>

Which "idiots"? The FDA? They're "environmentalists" now?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040723.html:

"Mercurochrome and other drugs containing mercury came up for scrutiny
as part of a general review of over-the-counter antiseptics that began
in 1978,"

"While no one's offered evidence of mass Mercurochrome poisoning, the
medical literature contains scattered reports of mercury toxicity due to
use of the antiseptic, and these days the burden of proof is on drug
manufacturers to show that their products' benefits outweigh the risks.
In the case of Mercurochrome and many other mercury-containing
compounds, that had never been done."

"The FDA initially proposed clipping Mercurochrome's GRAS status in 1982
and asked for comment. Hearing little, the FDA classified the antiseptic
as a "new drug," meaning that anyone proposing to sell it nationwide had
to submit it to the same rigorous approval process required of a drug
invented last month. (This took place in 1998--nobody's going to accuse
the FDA of rushing to judgment.) "