OT: Environmentalists

Tom Kunich

"Jay Beattie" <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com> wrote in message
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>
> Reliance on fossil fuels has crippled our economy. If we had reduced
> our reliance on oil and petrochemicals fifty years ago, we would be
> better off economically and environmentally.

By all means perhaps you can explain how we could have done that?

> We need something like a
> Manhattan Project to develop new energy technology -- which we could
> do for under 45 trillion, maybe. Come up with a highly efficient
> solar cell and license the technology to pay off the debt.

I see your degree in physics is doing you some good after all. Oh, that's
right - apparently you know nothing about what you're writing but aren't
afraid to write it.

Jay, all kidding aside - solar cells only work about 30 - 40% of the time.
They've been IN DEVELOPMENT for 50 years. What makes you think that they
could be more than marginally improved?

Are you aware that it costs more energy to manufacture than they can
generate in their useful lifetime?

Tom Kunich

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:05:47 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>>It's the only country on earth that's not using its own resources
>>to meet its needs for energy.
>
> You're very mistaken about this. Not surprising considering how
> little you read and *what* you read..
>
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/e...orts-net-of-use

Yeah, that's a really accurate gauge alright - for instance, Norway
generates 7 "killowatts" of power. And they have 11 cubic feet of natural
gas in reserve.

Dan O

On Jun 7, 12:58 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Jay Beattie" <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bb2765ff-90b1-41bc-a459-9c3c69b5e27d@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Reliance on fossil fuels has crippled our economy. If we had reduced
> > our reliance on oil and petrochemicals fifty years ago, we would be
> > better off economically and environmentally.
>
> By all means perhaps you can explain how we could have done that?
>

Ride bikes.

Bill Sornson

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
> news:k1nl44paok3i91en2vd0eno7nlmaaa0n8m@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:05:47 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's the only country on earth that's not using its own resources
>>> to meet its needs for energy.
>>
>> You're very mistaken about this. Not surprising considering how
>> little you read and *what* you read..
>>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/e...orts-net-of-use
>
> Yeah, that's a really accurate gauge alright - for instance, Norway
> generates 7 "killowatts" of power. And they have 11 cubic feet of
> natural gas in reserve.

ROTFL

Bill Sornson

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
> news:484aac7f$0$31727$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>> Of course, you've got it completely wrong. China and India ain't
>> playing (paying), so even {if} the US coughs up the $45 /trillion/ it
>> won't solve a thing. (Except to cripple the US economy, of course,
>> which is the REAL agenda in play.)

> OK Bill, no fair understanding what's really happening. You're
> supposed to be as stupid as a Democrat.

ITYMTS stupid /and/ dishonest.

Bill "full disclosure" S.

Bill Sornson

Tom Kunich wrote:
> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For now.
>
> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
> plate and pay his share starting right now.

If not too busy doing this:

http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:20:00 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
>> news:k1nl44paok3i91en2vd0eno7nlmaaa0n8m@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:05:47 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's the only country on earth that's not using its own resources
>>>> to meet its needs for energy.
>>>
>>> You're very mistaken about this. Not surprising considering how
>>> little you read and *what* you read..
>>>
>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/e...orts-net-of-use
>>
>> Yeah, that's a really accurate gauge alright - for instance, Norway
>> generates 7 "killowatts" of power. And they have 11 cubic feet of
>> natural gas in reserve.
>
>ROTFL

I forgot: facts have a liberal bias.

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:20:00 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
>> news:k1nl44paok3i91en2vd0eno7nlmaaa0n8m@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:05:47 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's the only country on earth that's not using its own resources
>>>> to meet its needs for energy.
>>>
>>> You're very mistaken about this. Not surprising considering how
>>> little you read and *what* you read..
>>>
>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/e...orts-net-of-use
>>
>> Yeah, that's a really accurate gauge alright - for instance, Norway
>> generates 7 "killowatts" of power. And they have 11 cubic feet of
>> natural gas in reserve.
>
>ROTFL

I don't normally read Kunich, but it's interesting that he's as
innumerate as Sorni. Makes sense I guess.

A Muzi

>>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.> wrote:
>>> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
>>> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
>>> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For
>>> now.
>>> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
>>> plate and pay his share starting right now.

> Luke wrote:
>> Of course, the American Way is to buy a solution and charge the
>> expense to someone else. Regardless the free ride's over nda this
>> time there's no passing the buck.

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Of course, you've got it completely wrong. China and India ain't playing
> (paying), so even the US coughs up the $45 /trillion/ it won't solve a
> thing. (Except to cripple the US economy, of course, which is the REAL
> agenda in play.)

True but trite. Would anyone argue against that? All of the putative
'improvement' is less than a volcano event or Siberian forest fires or
even smaller countries' emissions. It's simply a thumb in the eye of The
Great Satan and nothing more.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

A Muzi

>> Luke wrote:
>>> In article <tcudnTNvRtKV2dTVnZ2dnUVZ_oLin...@earthlink.com>, Tom
>>> Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.> wrote:
>>>> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
>>>> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
>>>> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For
>>>> now.
>>>> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
>>>> plate and pay his share starting right now.
>>> Of course, the American Way is to buy a solution and charge the
>>> expense to someone else. Regardless the free ride's over nda this
>>> time there's no passing the buck.

> "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> Of course, you've got it completely wrong. China and India ain't playing
>> (paying), so even the US coughs up the $45 /trillion/ it won't solve a
>> thing. (Except to cripple the US economy, of course, which is the REAL
>> agenda in play.)

Jay Beattie wrote:
> Reliance on fossil fuels has crippled our economy. If we had reduced
> our reliance on oil and petrochemicals fifty years ago, we would be
> better off economically and environmentally. We need something like a
> Manhattan Project to develop new energy technology -- which we could
> do for under 45 trillion, maybe. Come up with a highly efficient
> solar cell and license the technology to pay off the debt. Sure, this
> would be government in the private sector -- but that worked fine for
> the TVA and BPA and other energy production efforts. Investing in
> infrastructure creates jobs and would also stimulate the economy --
> more than a bogus $150 tax rebate. -- Jay Beattie.

Uh, we had a Manhattan Project.

We still are not allowed regular nuclear electricity generation like
France, Japan, etc.

Look to India, where rural areas cannot get electricity because some
local socialist politician always objects to a few meters' space for the
power lines. That is our future; endless bickering and dithering as the
country goes to hell.

This is not a technical problem.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Tom Kunich

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
>> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
>> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For now.
>>
>> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
>> plate and pay his share starting right now.
>
> If not too busy doing this:
>
> http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent

I wonder what these idiots think about when someone tells them that we used
mercurochrome as an antiseptic for half a century.

A Muzi

>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> Well, a report by the Paris-based International Energy Agency is
>>> saying that all we need to combat global warming is for every
>>> American family to be taxed $600,000 and that will be enough. For now.

> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote
>>> Hopefully EVERY American environmentalist will gladly step up to the
>>> plate and pay his share starting right now.
>> If not too busy doing this:
>> http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent

Tom Kunich wrote:
> I wonder what these idiots think about when someone tells them that we
> used mercurochrome as an antiseptic for half a century.

How about a couple million grammar-school-age boys (like me) who had a
small container of liquid mercury and played around with it often?
Metallic mercury is relatively inert - it's the active compounds which
are dangerous.

no common sense any more.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Tom Kunich

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I wonder what these idiots think about when someone tells them that we
>> used mercurochrome as an antiseptic for half a century.
>
> How about a couple million grammar-school-age boys (like me) who had a
> small container of liquid mercury and played around with it often?
> Metallic mercury is relatively inert - it's the active compounds which are
> dangerous.
>
> no common sense any more.

This appears to be what happens when the education system is taken over by
the Marxists (who even told us they were going to do it) and then most
subjects are simply not taught any more.

At one time experience was valued. Now only education is valued and often it
demonstrates a sort of ignorance hard to understand by "normal" people. I
had to choose to hire between 15 college educated engineers and I couldn't
find ONE of them that actually could engineer anything.

Patrick Lamb

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:44:31 -0500, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:
>Uh, we had a Manhattan Project.
>
>We still are not allowed regular nuclear electricity generation like
>France, Japan, etc.
>
>Look to India, where rural areas cannot get electricity because some
>local socialist politician always objects to a few meters' space for the
>power lines. That is our future; endless bickering and dithering as the
>country goes to hell.
>
>This is not a technical problem.

Sure it is. We just need to include politicians with hairdressers,
realtors, and insurance agents when we respond to the critical world
problem that will mean the end of the world shortly, and requires us
to send our entire population to another undiscovered planet.

Pat

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