"hit him back first"

Badger North

On Jun 10, 3:17 pm, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge of
> the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic karate chop
> with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull and it is
> apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.

1992 called - it wants its paradigm back.

Badger North
www.youngforest.ca

Badger North

On Jun 10, 2:07 pm, shuura...@gmail.com wrote:

> I shall leave that determination up to you... I've never seen Fame,
> and the only reason I know about West Side Story is because it gets
> spoofed all the time.

Shuurai, you're with friends - it's okay to admit it.

Badger North
www.youngforest.ca

Bill

Badger North wrote:
> On Jun 10, 3:17 pm, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge of
>> the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic karate chop
>> with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull and it is
>> apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.
>
> 1992 called - it wants its paradigm back.
>
> Badger North
> www.youngforest.ca

A paradigm is a shift in priorities, over used by managers, who want to
use a big word, so why the 1992?
Bill

shuurai11@gmail.com

> > At the proper angle, it might bleed a little more and you might cause
> > some additional superficial damage. *In all seriousness, just for the
> > innocents that might be lurking, you will never, ever, no matter what
> > angle you hit it at, drive someones nose into their brain.
>
> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge of
> the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic karate chop
> with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull and it is
> apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.

The nose is cartilage. Even if there was enough of it to reach the
brain - which there isn't - it will compress instead of driving
backwards into the brain. I suppose if you hit hard enough you could
crack the skull itself, but by that point the nose is pretty much
irrelevant to the process.

The "nose into the brain" thing is a myth.

shuurai11@gmail.com

> >> My response was to flat palm him in the forehead and knock him all the
> >> way across the street without killing him with a harder palm to the nose
> >> and up into his brain.
>
> > Right... because the force required to send someone flying across the
> > street is *that* much more dangerous when you put some cartilidge in
> > the way...
>
> It's a legit way to kill someone but works just as well if not better if
> you use a hard weapon like your elbow.

It's a myth that people who don't actually train to fight tend to
adhere to, either because they never get close enough to real violence
to learn the truth, or because it helps them attract the gullible who
are their target demographic.

> >> The idiot got up and came back for more,
>
> > Let me guess... *he stood up slowly, brushed himself off, and cracked
> > his neck. *Slowly marching towards you, he nonchalantly pulled his
> > hand through his wispy chest-length beard...
>
> A 22 year old drunk????

Sorry, I was making a joke by depicting your adversary as the bad guy
from an old chop-socky film. I will try to use more obvious humor as
we move forward.

> > You mean sort of like a West Side Story dance?
>
> No, just deflecting his wild, drunken attempts at punching.

Was joking again, Bill...

> > Well, yeah... *I mean, first you're throwing people across the street
> > and then you're dancing around one another while a soundtrack blares
> > in the background out of nowhere...
>
> Keep it up and prove you are a smart assed fool.

I apologize if my lighthearted banter is interefering with your
imaginary altercation. By all means, let us continue more seriously
from this point onward...

[makes fart noise with armpit]

> > What I find amazing is how so many people fail to die when being hit
> > in the nose or over the heart... * I've probably seen a hundred people
> > punched in the nose over the years, and not one has fell over dead.
> > Maybe beer acts as some sort of chi-shell against that sort of attack?
>
> There is a huge difference between just street fighting and a targeted
> martial arts move.

The main difference is that, in a street fight, targeted martial arts
moves are much harder to actually pull off successfully, and generally
have far less effect than anticipated.

> When I was 15 a kid picked up MY cat by the tail and
> threw it at me. I reacted out of anger and chest punched him in the
> Sternum and he dropped like a fat sack of potatoes. He was down for
> about a minute, then got up and ran like hell.

You punched a kid who thought that picking up a cat by tail was a good
idea. Please tell me you realize that one kid making another kid fall
down is not the same as when actual grownups fight one another.

> > It's generally a bit too late to explain once you're in jail anyway.
>
> When the police did arrive they asked why I didn't just put him down and
> save them the trouble. He was somebodies spoiled rich kid and the police
> hated him. If I had known it would have been different.

Assuming that this happened and that the officers actually asked you
this, the safe assumption is that it was just talk. If you had
actually "put him down" you'd have gone to jail. Unless you tried
doing it by driving his nose through his brain, in which case he'd
have a bloody nose and the cops would jokingly ask why you didn't put
him down and save them the trouble.

> > Yes, imagine that guy having to go through the rest of his life having
> > had a sore knee for a couple of days.
>
> Do you have a clue what happens to the knee when it is kicked hard
> enough to bend/break backwards? Major surgery and maybe a lifelong limp.

Do you have any idea what kind of impact is required to do something
like that? Have you ever watched professional fighting? People kick
one another in the legs all the time; it is exceedingly rare to see a
leg bent, much less broken backwards. And it's a safe bet these
professional fighters are kicking a heck of a lot harder than a
fiftyish bike rider.

> > Couldn't one of the moms have called your boss?
>
> I had a cell phone, but pressing charges would have meant days lost in
> court in Santa Rosa.

Once again, sarcasm has eluded you.

> > I'm sure that with the three moms backing your story, you would have
> > not only gotten away with it, but you would have been regalled as a
> > hero.
>
> Probably, since he was one of the towns biggest assholes, but I didn't
> know it at the time.

Sure, because homocide is routinely ignored as long as the victim was
an asshole.

> >> I actively avoid fighting unless it becomes a necessary self defense.
>
> > Or if someone steals the sacred scroll, I presume.
>
> Huh? WTF?

Sorry... another chop-socky film reference.

Bill Sornson

Badger North wrote:
> On Jun 10, 3:17 pm, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge
>> of the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic
>> karate chop with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull
>> and it is apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.
>
> 1992 called - it wants its paradigm back.

LOL Nice! LOL

shuurai11@gmail.com

> > Bruce Lee was an actor who never really fought anybody. *The guy had
> > some cool ideas, but ya gotta be careful about that "never actually
> > fought anybody" part...
>
> He did teach Chuck Norris a bit since they were friends. The only fight
> they ever had was in the Roman Colosseum in a movie.

He worked with Chuck Norris for a while, yes. Chuck would have beaten
Bruce into a bloody paste if the two ever actually fought. Chuck was
bigger, stronger, and actually fought people.

> >> I try not to use a fist
> >> since that can lead to broken bones in the hand, but open palm uses the
> >> wrist, which is much stronger.
>
> > I try to use a weapon, which is stonger than both your fist and your
> > wrist, and does a lot more damage. *If you're only going to fight when
> > it's your life on the line, then logically you want to have the best
> > chance of success when you fight.
>
> Yeah, that's what my motorcycle friends called 'an equalizer'.

Most of us martial artist types call it a 'weapon'.

Pboud

Badger North wrote:
> On Jun 10, 2:07 pm, shuura...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I shall leave that determination up to you... I've never seen Fame,
>> and the only reason I know about West Side Story is because it gets
>> spoofed all the time.
>
> Shuurai, you're with friends - it's okay to admit it.
>
> Badger North
> www.youngforest.ca
"I wanna live forever! I wanna learn how to fly (Hi!!) "

We have a support group..

Pboud

Bill wrote:
> Badger North wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 3:17 pm, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge of
>>> the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic karate chop
>>> with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull and it is
>>> apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.
>>
>> 1992 called - it wants its paradigm back.
>>
>> Badger North
>> www.youngforest.ca
>
> A paradigm is a shift in priorities, over used by managers, who want to
> use a big word, so why the 1992?
> Bill
Big era for ninja films, etc.

Sam the Bam

On Jun 10, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> There are a few on the bicycle group that make it a priority to
> rag on me, since they don't believe some of the life experiences I have
> posted

Such as?

Sam

Bill

Pboud wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> A paradigm is a shift in priorities, over used by managers, who want
>> to use a big word, so why the 1992?
>> Bill
> Big era for ninja films, etc.

You got me with a big "Duh, Bill".
I should have known.

Bill

shuurai11@gmail.com wrote:
>>> At the proper angle, it might bleed a little more and you might cause
>>> some additional superficial damage. In all seriousness, just for the
>>> innocents that might be lurking, you will never, ever, no matter what
>>> angle you hit it at, drive someones nose into their brain.
>> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge of
>> the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic karate chop
>> with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull and it is
>> apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.
>
> The nose is cartilage. Even if there was enough of it to reach the
> brain - which there isn't - it will compress instead of driving
> backwards into the brain. I suppose if you hit hard enough you could
> crack the skull itself, but by that point the nose is pretty much
> irrelevant to the process.
>
> The "nose into the brain" thing is a myth.
>
>
I thought it might be. That was shown in one of the firestarter movies
with George C. Scott offing someone with a chop to the nose. I do
believe that a hard flat hand to the nose will break it so badly that
the opponent will give unless he is on crack or something. No, I am not
going to pick a fight to prove it, so I will take your word for it.
Bill Baka

Bill

shuurai11@gmail.com wrote:
> It's a myth that people who don't actually train to fight tend to
> adhere to, either because they never get close enough to real violence
> to learn the truth, or because it helps them attract the gullible who
> are their target demographic.

Ummm, yeah, whatever. I would love to get into a ring and do some
practice fighting, but that would violate my wife's rules about that
kind of thing.
>
>
> Sorry, I was making a joke by depicting your adversary as the bad guy
> from an old chop-socky film. I will try to use more obvious humor as
> we move forward.
>
> I apologize if my lighthearted banter is interefering with your
> imaginary altercation. By all means, let us continue more seriously
> from this point onward...

Don't worry about that. I never know what to expect from the bike crowd.
>
> [makes fart noise with armpit]
>
>>> What I find amazing is how so many people fail to die when being hit
>>> in the nose or over the heart... I've probably seen a hundred people
>>> punched in the nose over the years, and not one has fell over dead.
>>> Maybe beer acts as some sort of chi-shell against that sort of attack?
>> There is a huge difference between just street fighting and a targeted
>> martial arts move.

The heart hit is all too real. There was a big thing on the news about a
high school football player dieing after an opponent hit him in the heart.
>
> The main difference is that, in a street fight, targeted martial arts
> moves are much harder to actually pull off successfully, and generally
> have far less effect than anticipated.

Yes and no. I got into an altercation about 6 months ago, pulling a guy
off a girl who was screaming for help in her car in a parking lot where
I went to eat with a friend. The guy flailed wildly so it would have
been hard to nail him. I managed to pin him, and right after that two
skinhead type guys jacked him up against the car and beat the snot out
of him as I left. No rules for street fights, but I won't just watch a
guy beat a girl.
>
>> When I was 15 a kid picked up MY cat by the tail and
>> threw it at me. I reacted out of anger and chest punched him in the
>> Sternum and he dropped like a fat sack of potatoes. He was down for
>> about a minute, then got up and ran like hell.
>
> You punched a kid who thought that picking up a cat by tail was a good
> idea. Please tell me you realize that one kid making another kid fall
> down is not the same as when actual grownups fight one another.

I know that, but the kid was holding his chest and gasping for air,
making me worry that I maybe really hurt him.
>
>>> It's generally a bit too late to explain once you're in jail anyway.
>> When the police did arrive they asked why I didn't just put him down and
>> save them the trouble. He was somebodies spoiled rich kid and the police
>> hated him. If I had known it would have been different.
>
> Assuming that this happened and that the officers actually asked you
> this, the safe assumption is that it was just talk. If you had
> actually "put him down" you'd have gone to jail. Unless you tried
> doing it by driving his nose through his brain, in which case he'd
> have a bloody nose and the cops would jokingly ask why you didn't put
> him down and save them the trouble.

I just wanted to discourage him, not actually kill him, but he didn't
get the message, as so many drunks don't. You would have to read the
police report and see what they made of it.
>
>>> Yes, imagine that guy having to go through the rest of his life having
>>> had a sore knee for a couple of days.
>> Do you have a clue what happens to the knee when it is kicked hard
>> enough to bend/break backwards? Major surgery and maybe a lifelong limp.
>
> Do you have any idea what kind of impact is required to do something
> like that? Have you ever watched professional fighting? People kick
> one another in the legs all the time; it is exceedingly rare to see a
> leg bent, much less broken backwards. And it's a safe bet these
> professional fighters are kicking a heck of a lot harder than a
> fiftyish bike rider.

This fiftyish bike rider had more than enough leg muscle from hard
riding every day. I used to ride up a 950 foot mountain every day and
you don't do that with weak legs.
>
>>> Couldn't one of the moms have called your boss?
>> I had a cell phone, but pressing charges would have meant days lost in
>> court in Santa Rosa.
>
> Once again, sarcasm has eluded you.

Like I said, on the bike group I get a lot of shit, but I should have
seen that one.
>
>>> I'm sure that with the three moms backing your story, you would have
>>> not only gotten away with it, but you would have been regalled as a
>>> hero.
>> Probably, since he was one of the towns biggest assholes, but I didn't
>> know it at the time.
>
> Sure, because homocide is routinely ignored as long as the victim was
> an asshole.

I think he might have been the mayor's son or something because the cops
let him drive away drunk instead of arresting him.???
>
>>>> I actively avoid fighting unless it becomes a necessary self defense.
>>> Or if someone steals the sacred scroll, I presume.
>> Huh? WTF?
>
> Sorry... another chop-socky film reference.

I only watch those with limited attention, so you can easily put one
like that over on me. Plot, what plot, I just watch the fight scenes.
Bill Baka

Bill

shuurai11@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Bruce Lee was an actor who never really fought anybody. The guy had
>>> some cool ideas, but ya gotta be careful about that "never actually
>>> fought anybody" part...
>> He did teach Chuck Norris a bit since they were friends. The only fight
>> they ever had was in the Roman Colosseum in a movie.
>
> He worked with Chuck Norris for a while, yes. Chuck would have beaten
> Bruce into a bloody paste if the two ever actually fought. Chuck was
> bigger, stronger, and actually fought people.

Quite possible. Bruce was a hand and foot fighter while Chuck seems to
prefer the roundhouse kick, and since he is taller Bruce would have been
at a disadvantage in reach.
>
>>>> I try not to use a fist
>>>> since that can lead to broken bones in the hand, but open palm uses the
>>>> wrist, which is much stronger.
>>> I try to use a weapon, which is stonger than both your fist and your
>>> wrist, and does a lot more damage. If you're only going to fight when
>>> it's your life on the line, then logically you want to have the best
>>> chance of success when you fight.
>> Yeah, that's what my motorcycle friends called 'an equalizer'.
>
> Most of us martial artist types call it a 'weapon'.
>
I know that, it's just that I used to run with a bunch of semi-literate
rag-tag bunch of Hells Angels wannabe's before I got married. I moved
after putting a guy in the hospital with 3 broken ribs, as a result of
too much pot, beer, and Valium at a party. That was 1977 and part of my
life that I am not too proud of, but it taught me a lesson about when I
should not fight. Marriage (and fatherhood) is a big attitude changer.
Bill