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02-06.-2008, 05:20 PM
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Did Astana pay CSF ?
Ricco believes so.... maybe this is the Hog's new method... rather than dope his own team he provides dope to a lowly team so that they will help his ?
____ Asked whether he would repeat yesterday's comments to the effect that Sella and his CSF team-mate Domenico Pozzovivo had conspired with Giro leader Alberto Contador and against him, Riccò didn't hesitate. "[What I'd say now would be] even worse," snapped 'The Cobra" after signing on for the day's stage in Rovetta. "Anyone who understands cycling can work out what happened," he'd said earlier. "People who defended Sella are ignorant." Riccò's quotes in Saturday morning's Gazzetta dello Sport had already banished any doubts about exactly what the Saunier-Duval rider was insinuating when he criticized Sella last night. "Sella tried to be cute," he told La Gazzetta. "I hope that Contador at least paid him for it..." |
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02-06.-2008, 05:40 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
Poor Sella. He will be crying himself to sleep over those allegations. Fortunately he has three stage wins, the green KOM jersey and last but not least a big fat payment from Astana to console himself with.
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02-06.-2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
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Watt comparisons aside what I thought what was interesting about Sella was his recovery. Di Luca showed that after a one day big effort he paid the price (minus the dope ?).... however Sella had this ability to keep on attacking and although the main guys were not chasing him down he managed to stay away on each attack.... hmmmmm....... I watched every stage and it did look a little strange.... I can understand winning one stage with a lone attack but 3 ? we should also remember he almost won a flat stage in a breakaway bar his crash in the last km..... we'll never know what the story was but from no where cyclist to 3 stage wins & KOM ? CSF were certainly on the Astana payroll. Nothing new there but they were riding the entire Giro for Astana not just one assist on a tough stage... thats something new..... |
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02-06.-2008, 06:27 PM
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The sad thing is that the clean up many of us were hoping for seems to have been brushed under the carpet by RCS. Some riders come down from super human levels and others take their place. The invitation to Astana just cracked a hole into the hull of the anti-doping ship. I look forward the the Tour. At least ASO seem intent on backing up their rhetoric with action. |
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02-06.-2008, 07:47 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
To the OP: probably. After all, I doubt that CSF has any real interest in races outside of the Giro in terms of, sponsorship visibility, so I doubt that promises were made to exchange victories in other races.
The big question for me is the reason that RCS decided to invite Astana vis-a-vis the position originally taken in agreement with ASO.
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02-06.-2008, 07:58 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
But how much time would Contador have lost if the CSF guys weren't helping him? I don't see Ricco get the pink jersey even if they didn't collude with Contador.
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02-06.-2008, 08:05 PM
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02-06.-2008, 08:41 PM
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you should get the same cable guy o' classic one. |
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02-06.-2008, 09:00 PM
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A lot ! It was kind of silly really. The most obvisous work but CSF was not by Sella but by two other CSF guys who broke away with Colulm (spelling?) on Saturday rode him all the way to the final 40km & left him out front to wait for Contador..... that was the worst display. Colulm was even getting water bottles from the CSF team car !! |
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02-06.-2008, 09:08 PM
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02-06.-2008, 09:09 PM
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 500 channels sounds good in theory, but most of them have crap on them, same as the six channels I have now. Then again, free Euro porn rules.
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02-06.-2008, 09:11 PM
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02-06.-2008, 09:25 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
At least Ricco can take comfort in the fact that it took CSF, Liquigas and Lotto to keep him out of the MR - the sight of all 3 teams nursing Contador to the finish line to keep him in the jersey by 4" was one of the most pitiful sights I've seen in a GT in a long time - right up there with the CSC/brown enevelope episode.
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02-06.-2008, 10:10 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
Even though Sella initially didn't have high GC hopes, as time wore on and things went better for him GC-wise, he wanted to jump up the GC as much as practicable. Hence, actions that happened to help AC were as much for Sella's own gain in terms of GC ascension (even though Sella probably couldn't have won the maglia rosa).
Second, everybody knows that Sella's team is very focused on TV coverage and publicity during the Giro. So what better way to get TV coverage than to be in the group containing the maglia rosa, when the maglia rosa group was chasing an opponent on an important stage? What better way to show that Sella's team was important to the race and to get more publicity for its sponsors? Third, in later stages, after Ricco had accused Sella of deliberately helping AC, Ricco and Sella had already themselves some animosity. So why shouldn't Sella go out on Stage 20 and take the stage win and deprive Ricco of bonus seconds, if Sella was capable of doing that and if another stage win was wonderful for Sella? |
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02-06.-2008, 10:11 PM
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Re: Did Astana pay CSF ?
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Perhaps a critic must find a way to be a critic in every scenario. Sella's performance during the giro was the most exciting part of it. It is not true that he has come from no where. He has won a mountain stage at a previous giro, and has been involved in many breakaways over the last few years. Has suffered his share of falls. On another note: The win of Contador, and the invitation itself to Astana, was a great thing for the giro. It lifts it up as a grand tour by having some of the best riders in the world. Different than recent years, where the giro has been called by some, as the tour of the seven dwarfs. |
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