BIKE STAND: Which One For Carbon Fibre Bikes ??

andresmuro@aol.com

On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> >>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>> | Hello,
> >>> |
> >>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
> >>> to
> >>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
> >>> |
> >>> | Thank you
> >>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
> >>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
> >>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
> >>> have
> >>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
> >>> time to work on it.
> >>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> >> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
> >> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>
> >> Thanks
>
> > I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
> > of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
> > than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
> > find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
> > starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
> > adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
>
> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>
> > It is
> > difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
> > the BB.
>
> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
> of a cracked tube.
>
> > You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
>
> not so - see above.
>
> > Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
> > the bike into any position.
>
> > Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
> > these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
> > bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
> > pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>
> > Andres

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post. When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well. Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack. I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Andres

jim beam

andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> | Hello,
>>>>> |
>>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>>>> to
>>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Thank you
>>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>>>> have
>>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>>>> time to work on it.
>>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>>>> Thanks
>>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
>>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
>>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
>>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
>>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
>>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
>> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>>
>>> It is
>>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
>>> the BB.
>> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
>> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
>> of a cracked tube.
>>
>>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
>> not so - see above.
>>
>>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
>>> the bike into any position.
>>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
>>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
>>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
>>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>>> Andres
>
> I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
> seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.



> When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
> the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
> with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
> stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
> was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
> the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
> direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
> down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
> need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
>
> If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
> corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.



> Of course you can get around all this with any
> bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
> with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
> $100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
> maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
> and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
> rack.
>
> I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
> seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?



> I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
> Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
> bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!


>
> Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
> silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
> volume than you or I.
>
> Andres
>

andresmuro@aol.com

On Jun 3, 8:43 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>>>> | Hello,
> >>>>> |
> >>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
> >>>>> |
> >>>>> | Thank you
> >>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
> >>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
> >>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
> >>>>> time to work on it.
> >>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >>>>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> >>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
> >>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
> >>>> Thanks
> >>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
> >>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
> >>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
> >>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
> >>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
> >>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
> >> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>
> >>> It is
> >>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
> >>> the BB.
> >> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
> >> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
> >> of a cracked tube.
>
> >>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
> >> not so - see above.
>
> >>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
> >>> the bike into any position.
> >>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
> >>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
> >>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
> >>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
> >>> Andres
>
> > I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
> > seat post.
>
> but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
> completely avoids.
>
> > When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
> > the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
> > with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
> > stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
> > was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
> > the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
> > direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
> > down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
> > need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
>
> > If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
> > corners really well.
>
> why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
> thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.
>
> > Of course you can get around all this with any
> > bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
> > with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
> > $100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
> > maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
> > and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
> > rack.
>
> > I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
> > seatpost clamping rack.
>
> and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
> the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
> what do they know?

actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
and impractical. If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
wants it for home, not such a good idea.
>
> > I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
> > Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
> > bike shop would care to contribute?
>
> don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!
>
>
>
> > Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
> > silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
> > volume than you or I.
>
> > Andres

jim beam

andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 3, 8:43 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> | Hello,
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | Thank you
>>>>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>>>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>>>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>>>>>> time to work on it.
>>>>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>>>>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>>>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>>>>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
>>>>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
>>>>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
>>>>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
>>>>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
>>>>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
>>>> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
>>>>> the BB.
>>>> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
>>>> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
>>>> of a cracked tube.
>>>>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
>>>> not so - see above.
>>>>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
>>>>> the bike into any position.
>>>>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
>>>>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
>>>>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
>>>>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>>>>> Andres
>>> I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
>>> seat post.
>> but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
>> completely avoids.
>>
>>> When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
>>> the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
>>> with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
>>> stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
>>> was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
>>> the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
>>> direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
>>> down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
>>> need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
>>> If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
>>> corners really well.
>> why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
>> thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.
>>
>>> Of course you can get around all this with any
>>> bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
>>> with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
>>> $100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
>>> maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
>>> and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
>>> rack.
>>> I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
>>> seatpost clamping rack.
>> and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
>> the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
>> what do they know?
>
> actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
> bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
> the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
> stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
> preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
> for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
> and impractical.

impractical for major overhauls? have you used one? because that's the
opposite of my experience. i can exert more leverage with much more
confidence on the bb of my bikes when mounted in my minoura stand of
that design than i can on any stand of tube clamp design.



> If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
> minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
> since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
> wants it for home, not such a good idea.
>>> I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
>>> Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
>>> bike shop would care to contribute?
>> don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
>>> silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
>>> volume than you or I.
>>> Andres
>

Maple Tree

"Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Hello,
>
> I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
> purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>
> Thank you


Hello Fellows,

I went with the ParkTools PRS-20, thanks for your help.

http://www.parktool.com/products/de...=23&item=PRS-20

Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out there
that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like the
PRS-20, several companies are making them now.

Derk

Maple Tree wrote:

> Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out
> there that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like
> the PRS-20, several companies are making them now.
Please inform us how the changing of bottom brackets went, using this stand.

Derk