BIKE STAND: Which One For Carbon Fibre Bikes ??

jim beam

andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> | Hello,
>>>>> |
>>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>>>> to
>>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Thank you
>>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>>>> have
>>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>>>> time to work on it.
>>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>>>> Thanks
>>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
>>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
>>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
>>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
>>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
>>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
>> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>>
>>> It is
>>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
>>> the BB.
>> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
>> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
>> of a cracked tube.
>>
>>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
>> not so - see above.
>>
>>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
>>> the bike into any position.
>>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
>>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
>>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
>>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>>> Andres
>
> I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
> seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.



> When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
> the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
> with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
> stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
> was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
> the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
> direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
> down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
> need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
>
> If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
> corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.



> Of course you can get around all this with any
> bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
> with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
> $100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
> maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
> and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
> rack.
>
> I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
> seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?



> I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
> Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
> bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!


>
> Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
> silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
> volume than you or I.
>
> Andres
>

andresmuro@aol.com

On Jun 3, 8:43 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>>>> | Hello,
> >>>>> |
> >>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
> >>>>> |
> >>>>> | Thank you
> >>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
> >>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
> >>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
> >>>>> time to work on it.
> >>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >>>>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> >>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
> >>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
> >>>> Thanks
> >>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
> >>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
> >>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
> >>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
> >>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
> >>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
> >> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>
> >>> It is
> >>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
> >>> the BB.
> >> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
> >> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
> >> of a cracked tube.
>
> >>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
> >> not so - see above.
>
> >>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
> >>> the bike into any position.
> >>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
> >>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
> >>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
> >>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
> >>> Andres
>
> > I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
> > seat post.
>
> but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
> completely avoids.
>
> > When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
> > the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
> > with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
> > stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
> > was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
> > the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
> > direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
> > down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
> > need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
>
> > If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
> > corners really well.
>
> why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
> thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.
>
> > Of course you can get around all this with any
> > bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
> > with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
> > $100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
> > maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
> > and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
> > rack.
>
> > I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
> > seatpost clamping rack.
>
> and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
> the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
> what do they know?

actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
and impractical. If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
wants it for home, not such a good idea.
>
> > I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
> > Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
> > bike shop would care to contribute?
>
> don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!
>
>
>
> > Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
> > silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
> > volume than you or I.
>
> > Andres

jim beam

andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 3, 8:43 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> | Hello,
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | Thank you
>>>>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>>>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>>>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>>>>>> time to work on it.
>>>>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>>>>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>>>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>>>>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
>>>>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
>>>>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
>>>>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
>>>>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
>>>>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
>>>> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
>>>>> the BB.
>>>> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
>>>> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
>>>> of a cracked tube.
>>>>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
>>>> not so - see above.
>>>>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
>>>>> the bike into any position.
>>>>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
>>>>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
>>>>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
>>>>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>>>>> Andres
>>> I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
>>> seat post.
>> but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
>> completely avoids.
>>
>>> When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
>>> the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
>>> with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
>>> stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
>>> was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
>>> the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
>>> direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
>>> down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
>>> need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
>>> If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
>>> corners really well.
>> why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
>> thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.
>>
>>> Of course you can get around all this with any
>>> bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
>>> with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
>>> $100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
>>> maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
>>> and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
>>> rack.
>>> I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
>>> seatpost clamping rack.
>> and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
>> the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
>> what do they know?
>
> actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
> bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
> the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
> stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
> preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
> for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
> and impractical.

impractical for major overhauls? have you used one? because that's the
opposite of my experience. i can exert more leverage with much more
confidence on the bb of my bikes when mounted in my minoura stand of
that design than i can on any stand of tube clamp design.



> If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
> minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
> since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
> wants it for home, not such a good idea.
>>> I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
>>> Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
>>> bike shop would care to contribute?
>> don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
>>> silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
>>> volume than you or I.
>>> Andres
>

Maple Tree

"Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Hello,
>
> I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
> purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>
> Thank you


Hello Fellows,

I went with the ParkTools PRS-20, thanks for your help.

http://www.parktool.com/products/de...=23&item=PRS-20

Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out there
that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like the
PRS-20, several companies are making them now.

Derk

Maple Tree wrote:

> Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out
> there that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like
> the PRS-20, several companies are making them now.
Please inform us how the changing of bottom brackets went, using this stand.

Derk