BIKE STAND: Which One For Carbon Fibre Bikes ??

Maple Tree

Hello,

I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.

Thank you

Mike Jacoubowsky

"Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Maple Tree

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> | Hello,
> |
> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
> to
> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
> |
> | Thank you
>
> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
> have
> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
> time to work on it.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

Carl Sundquist

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> | Hello,
> |
> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
> to
> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
> |
> | Thank you
>
> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
> have
> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
> time to work on it.

What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

jim beam

Maple Tree wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> | Hello,
>> |
>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>> to
>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>> |
>> | Thank you
>>
>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>> have
>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>> time to work on it.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>
> Thanks
>
>

you want a stand that only touches the hard points of the frame.
something like this:

http://parktool.com/products/detail...3&item=PRS%2D20

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:53:38 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> | Hello,
>> |
>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>> to
>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>> |
>> | Thank you
>>
>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>> have
>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>> time to work on it.
>
>What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

Yeah. And I have to wonder about the wisdom of repeatedly taking out
and reinserting the seatpost.

Seems to me that for washing and low-force repairs "loose" clamping of
the frame wouldn't be a probleml.

But then again I don't really know... I use one of these with my
carbon fiber bike
http://www.permaco.com/images/stand2.jpg
http://www.permaco.com/en-us/dept_17.html

which would not be viable in a shop situation, or for someone with a
bad back...

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:59:42 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>you want a stand that only touches the hard points of the frame.
>something like this:
>
>http://parktool.com/products/detail...3&item=PRS%2D20

Nice.

A Muzi

>> "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>> to purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.

> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>> have
>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>> time to work on it.

Maple Tree wrote:
> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Mike makes a good point. Work and display stands either clamp, and
modern bike frames don't like that at all, even the round section ones,
or cradle, which can scratch or shift around during cleaning or other
manipulations. Hanging the bike by seat and bars may be innocuous.

As Mike wrote, get a clamping stand and change out the post when you
clamp that post in it.

p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
an employee would respond in exactly the same way.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Tom Kunich

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
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>
> But then again I don't really know... I use one of these with my
> carbon fiber bike
> http://www.permaco.com/images/stand2.jpg
> http://www.permaco.com/en-us/dept_17.html
>
> which would not be viable in a shop situation, or for someone with a
> bad back...

You can get this sort of clasp
http://parktool.com/products/bigpic...71120_66148.jpg
for the normal stands. You then only tighten it enough to hold the bike
solid enough for the work you're doing.

Ryan Cousineau

In article <hci644pnqf2a56iv3jph4mne619ot9jq70@4ax.com>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:59:42 -0700, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> >you want a stand that only touches the hard points of the frame.
> >something like this:
> >
> >http://parktool.com/products/detail...3&item=PRS%2D20
>
> Nice.

If JT approves, then it's good.

If you read the Cycling News tech reports religiously, you'll know that
almost all the pro teams use stands of this design.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Mike Jacoubowsky

| p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
| an employee would respond in exactly the same way.

30 years ago, a shop down the street thought it would be cool to install a
pneumatic stand. You stepped on a floor pedal and the jaws automatically
smashed, er I mean clamped, the tube. We saw a *lot* of bikes coming in the
door with two parallel crimp marks on the seat tubes. :>)

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
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| >> "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
| >> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike
stand
| >> to purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| > "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote
| >> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| >> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| >> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| >> have
| >> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| >> time to work on it.
|
| Maple Tree wrote:
| > I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
| > stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
|
| Mike makes a good point. Work and display stands either clamp, and
| modern bike frames don't like that at all, even the round section ones,
| or cradle, which can scratch or shift around during cleaning or other
| manipulations. Hanging the bike by seat and bars may be innocuous.
|
| As Mike wrote, get a clamping stand and change out the post when you
| clamp that post in it.
|
| p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
| an employee would respond in exactly the same way.
| --
| Andrew Muzi
| <www.yellowjersey.org/>
| Open every day since 1 April, 1971
| ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Mike Jacoubowsky

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
| news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
| > "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
| > news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
| > | Hello,
| > |
| > | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
| > to
| > | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| >
| > It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| > aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| > seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| > have
| > a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| > time to work on it.
|
| What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp...2&bShopOnline=1
works for the new Madones; if you had one of the bikes that literally has no
seatpost at all, then you're pretty much going to have to use the Park stand
someone else showed. I'm not convinced that's (the Park PRS-20) the best way
to go for most bikes, but it's the only way to go if you're going to be
dealing with some of the unusual seat-mounting designs found on many frames.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mike Jacoubowsky

"Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
| news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
| > "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
| > news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
| > | Hello,
| > |
| > | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
| > to
| > | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| >
| > It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| > aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| > seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| > have
| > a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| > time to work on it.
| >
| > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
| > www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
| stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
|
| Thanks

As others pointed out, the Park PRS-20 will do the job. It's popular because
it's the only style that works on pretty much anything imaginable, which
makes it popular with the race mechanics (since some current designs
essentially have no seat post at all). But if you've got a bike that a
conventional seatpost will work in, I think you're better off with one of
the conventional seatpost-clamping stands. More versatile because you can
move the bike around.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

jim beam

andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3aH0k.3393$xZ.278@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> | Hello,
>>> |
>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>> to
>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>> |
>>> | Thank you
>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>> have
>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>> time to work on it.
>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.

not so - it mounts either front or rear.


> It is
> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
> the BB.

theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.


> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.

not so - see above.


> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
> the bike into any position.
>
> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>
> Andres