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02-06.-2008, 12:47 AM
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Re: Rumour: Kloden tested positive so he just pulled out
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02-06.-2008, 02:14 AM
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02-06.-2008, 02:35 AM
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Re: Rumour: Kloden tested positive so he just pulled out
You know what says 'doping in cycling' to me? Sella's Dolomite performance and his collusion with Astana. Contador winning the Giro with no training, dental problems, hayfever and a cracked elbow.
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02-06.-2008, 03:29 AM
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Re: Rumour: Kloden tested positive so he just pulled out
Ok so when does the probation end? When do we stop seeing a pimple on a cyclist's face and call him a doper? When do we see anybody win anything without calling them a doper?
Is there ever going to be an end or do we just carry on yelling "doper"? It's a bit like crying wolf forever... |
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02-06.-2008, 03:38 AM
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02-06.-2008, 04:03 AM
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02-06.-2008, 04:09 AM
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Re: Rumour: Kloden tested positive so he just pulled out
Eldron makes a valid point and the best rebuttal from many is to go to another forum? What an intelligent response! If you want this forum to continue in its monolithic mindset than you are all no better than the DPF you mock.
You know what is tiresome? The predictable responses that saturate these threads, as of late. People call for the sport to clean up its act. Spectators also need to clean up the perpetual doping accusations as well. And to specifically get back to the Kloden rumor, anyone who was following the rider knows he has not been riding well because of illness. So he pulls out during a stage after a taxing ride the previous day. That is plausible. Or are we to adopt the mindset of this forum and say, "HA! DOPER!", because clearly Astana and Andreas forsaw a failed doping control late in race, so he feigned sickness the past two weeks as defense. Please, give me a break! |
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02-06.-2008, 04:22 AM
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Which Kloden rumour are we talking about, to me there have been quite a few as he is a rider to my knowledge that hasn't been sanctioned over PED use in the past, rather luckily in my view.
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02-06.-2008, 04:27 AM
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We are talking about the rumor that he pulled out of yesterdays stage b/c UCI tipped him off that he had intereting blood values, or flat out failed doping control. The other, more rational, reason he abandoned was because of ongoing illness. |
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02-06.-2008, 04:35 AM
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Obviously you can get ill during 3 wk race. He didn't that ill to me on stage 19 towing Contador at a fast pace and dropping Simoni in the process. All of the teams pull suspicious riders out of a race and then blame illness. It seems to be the way of doing things. Astaloa? I think they have been trying to get Kloden purely and simply because he is one of the few remaining group of riders who lasted with Armstrong in his heyday. They can't get Armstrong, struggling with Ullrich but have sanctioned the rest, it is like the wild west.
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02-06.-2008, 04:42 AM
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Re: Rumour: Kloden tested positive so he just pulled out
The rumour is all too plausible - first we have Astana riders toppling like flies because of a 'stomach bug' and then we have news of T-Mobile suppressing 57 positive tests - Pretty Damned Messy all these illnesses...
I feel sorry for Kloden - he's clearly not one of the inner circle and Bruyneel will sacrifice him in a second to protect precious Dirty Bertie. |
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02-06.-2008, 04:59 AM
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02-06.-2008, 05:38 AM
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Coming back to the point of this thread, the OP posted that there is a rumour that he failed a test. Others posted that the rumour has not been verified in some reputable websites. Knowing the Hog, there is speculation about if the rumor is indeed true, why he would have failed a test. What else do you expect? |
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02-06.-2008, 06:25 AM
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Yes, what is this "cleaning of the peloton" we are waiting for? Many say that cycling needs "a proper clean up" but I have yet to read what that really is. Banning all the current riders above the age of 15 and waiting for the younger ones to grow? Will they be clean? Or getting rid of all the staff, team doctors and personnel? Will the new ones be any cleaner? Believe me, it's much simpler to not worry about who's clean and who's not and just enjoy watching bike races. And then go for a ride yourself and pretend you're Contador on an Alpine stage when actually you'regoing up a 6% hill at 15km/h 
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02-06.-2008, 06:48 AM
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I don't think it will end until you see the likes of Johan Bruyneel's teams actually riding like everyone else instead of standing out. We all know that 1 week preparation for the Giro was bullshit. That is despite the fact that every cycling media outlet I've heard or read repeats this mantra like witless zombies. That includes a U.K. outfit, which I hoped would be more realistic than the easy-to-satisy U.S. sports media. His team comes into the Giro with, what, a realistic one month prep and not only does well, they win it with a rider, who's good but NOT God, who's been "vacationing". Astana was rewarded by the RCS for lighting up the pelaton. They repaid RCS by winning their Grand Tour. I heard the entire 3 weeks about how RCS wanted a great and exciting race for the spectators. I do not recall hearing, during the entire Giro, on the fact that they wanted a clean race. That is not their emphasis. It makes me deeply disappointed to realize that cycling only preaches about wanting to be clean. The truth is, they want great performances and for the riders to not get caught or, God forbid, die from their meddling with their bodies like that. I know it isn't just cycling. Here in the U.S. baseball fans love to cheer home runs and then, become outraged, years later when that overly muscled hero turned out to be a 'Roid-Boy. But they still want to see those home runs. I find it difficult to read a lot of the distrust in just about all of the performances in riders all during the season. I want to believe that some of them are making an effort to clean up. But the fact is, while some may be trying, they will lose in the end. The winners are the dopers as they take home the trophies, applause and money for their efforts.
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