Giro D'Italia 2008 : Stage 21 - June 1st : Cesano Maderno => Milano (ITT), 28.5 km

RdBiker

A great win for Astana. Will Contador still go to the Vuelta? If he does he has a chance to make it two GT's in the same year.
But I have to say it doesn't look good for Astana regarding the support Contador would need. Maybe it was partly due to the late invite but still Klöden and Leipheimer couldn't really keep up when the top guys upped the pace. Compare that to the LPR team that was built around Di Luca.

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hawkeye87

What's a "looser", nitwit?

I thought that, perhaps, when you misspelled it the first time it was a typo. Obviously, it's a demonstration of your stupidity instead.

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hawkeye87

The only team to beat Astana was CSF in the overall. I thought the team was very strong. AC was only in slight trouble on Stage 19 but he didn't lose the pink jersey to his competitors. Was Astana actually to put 3 guys on the podium to please you, then? That would make their doping completely obvious.

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thunder

disagree,

Brajkovic
Horner
Gusev
Colom

etc etc etc

OAR8

Makes me feel better.

OAR8

or his mangIna is looser and looser.

Denia

AC will contest La Vuelta and is likely to win it. He is marginally better than his closest rivals and will be fresh compared to those that ride the Tour.

It's amusing how many on here who hated Armstrong now hate AC with the same intensity, why? Surely it can't all be about Bruyneel?

I imagine during the last decade the majority of his current detractors have supported, at one time or another, Pantani, Ullrich, Vinokourov, Basso, Hamilton, Landis or any other rider who looked capable of beating Armstrong in any stage of the Tour. All, of course, now known to have doped. Armstrong destroyed these riders at their best. If he doped, then he doped alngside the rest of his competition. Boring argument and I appreciate it has been done to death.

AC is no Armstrong. Armstrong would have blitzed that time trial today and overtaken Ricco for good measure. He would also have won a mountain stage or two to impose his authority - he was not an automaton, he got angry plenty of times and that anger drove him to some of his most memorable stage wins.

AC, on the other hand, was digging deep just to hang in there and could have lost it with a twist of fate here or there - that's sport. He is not massively better than the rest, but he is better, for now anyway. He still has some way to go before we can assume he will dominate the Grand Tours for years to come. If he does, then good for him; if he doesn't I doubt you will here him whining that the world was out to get him (unlike Ricco).

Other than that, why get personal? He seems a decent enough guy who happens to be one of the best cyclists in the world. He'll lose plenty of races in his career by being out-fought and out-thought and he'll win plenty too by being the best on the day.

Is that too rational for some? Does there have to be conspiracies and voodoo-mumblings all along the way to explain the success of one rider over another? Cycling is a dirty business, always has been. If you enjoy watching it and reading about it then live with the fact that whoever wins is not likely to be any more guilty of any wrong doing than whoever you are cheering on.

Congratulations to AC for a worthy win, commiserations to the runners up and well done to all for making it such a great competition.

thoughtforfood

Doping apologists are better suited for www.dailypelotonforums.com/main/

And yes, it does have to do with The Hog and the 7 scams he helped perpitrate. Contadope did win, and he won in front of other dopers. Now, go live in the wonderland in which your heroes are clean, and Astana is America's Team, there is nothing more to see here.

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poulidor

Contador is seen as a liar since Puerto, and the fact to have been protected by spanish authority don't help his case.
When you can avoid a punishment, you have to do your better to be forgotten... to whine to be at TDF is stupid when you won the precedent clearly doped!
When guys have so asshole behaviour, they can only win the respect of poor people.

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rodsteiger

Congratulations to Alberto Contador Velasco! The pride and class of cycling today. A great win by a superior athlete and competitor.

It's a shame that pathetic losers here must denigrate him with their petty accusations but that's the world in the 21st century. I would love to see what your lives are like. Your homes, your wives/girlfriends, your alleged jobs, the bitterness that must surround your everyday existence. How you go on day after day in abject negativity. Sad really!

I work in Hollywood and get to work with tons of successful people in entertainment and sports. I have met Lance Armstrong and he's a great guy, very personable. It's comical how success and successful people threaten you pathetic losers here. Again, I pity you and your dark meager lives.

The best thing you people can do is to read some biographies of successful people but hold down your petty jealousies, you'll learn a lot. Your lives need not be so meaningless and sad. Get up, get out, and get ahead. And please stop beating yourselves up, cheer for winners. It's okay to be successful, it's okay to be a winner!

Congrats again to Alberto Contador Velasco. Great job, great win, and truly a class act!

Denia

Ho-hum, what's your point? Read the post again and tell me where I suggest AC or any other rider is clean? Where do I mention support for Astana or, for that matter, Team America? I think anyone capable of interpreting the written word would struggle to deduce that I live in a "wonderland" (although Spain isn't too bad a place to enjoy living in!). I enjoyed Contador's win, so what? He's Spanish and I cheer on the home guy. I wouldn't have lost any sleep if he hadn't and wouldn't have resorted to spouting hate if Ricco or De Luca had snatched it from him. Some you win, some you lose.

thoughtforfood

.......My favorite shirt of all time seen at Sundance: "No I don't know who you are"

Hollywood huh, met Lance Armstrong huh? Well I am sure when you are dead, they will put such amazing successes on your tombstone...

Oh, and anyone taking bets on which CF regular this could be?

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TheDarkLord

If you call a win through wheel sucking a great win and a class act, so be it. Now, if someone else had won in a similar manner, I'm sure you would be whining here about how that wouldn't constitute a real victory, and how someone else is the real victor, etc.

thoughtforfood

It is the "if" that gives away what you are.

And again, please feel free to post such drivel at www.dailypelotonforums.com/main/ ....I'll bet you already do...

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