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01-06.-2008, 02:05 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote: >Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this... >As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his >misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that >Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his >illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain >point. It is quite sad. I can't stop, because I never STARTED. You, on the other hand, never do anything but LIE. Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED: "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for a laugh. http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg" You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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01-06.-2008, 04:00 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On May 31, 10:05 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com" > > <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this... > >As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his > >misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that > >Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his > >illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain > >point. It is quite sad. > > I can't stop, because I never STARTED. Heh. Yet another "made up fact". You prove his point with every post. E.P. |
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01-06.-2008, 04:01 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On May 31, 6:52 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
wrote: > Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this... > As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his > misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that > Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his > illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain > point. It is quite sad. I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick way. What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for MTBers. Including areas of national parks. I laugh at him. E.P. |
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01-06.-2008, 05:21 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about: Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. > On Fri, 30 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: > > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said > >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: > >> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural, > >> >human response to death. > >> > > >> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed > >> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent. > > > >..........big snip > > > >> Too bad it's 100% lies. > > > >Do you deny your brother was killed in a > >bike accedent, Mike? > > Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we > know you are a mountain biker. Since we've both been posting on sci.environment since the early '90s, thousands of posts each, and you don't recognize me, that pretty much proves you are not an environmentalist, doesn't it? You simply don't read sci.environment. You simply use it a cover for your anti-bike screes. "Mike Vandeman, environmentalist! " ....obviously part of your delusional self image. And above is part of the proof. You know NOTHING about what's going on in sci.environment. And your posts prove that, too. I'd not have much problem with that, except you project environmentalism as a warped vindictive movement. To the quick traveler, you confirm in alt.mountain-bike, rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry, ca.environment, and sci.environment everything Rush Limbaugh ever said about environmentalists, including "long haired maggot infested environmental whacko," and so much more. > > >How was your brother killed? > >What did he die of? You "forgot" to answer Mike. And I don't believe in coincidence. Will you deny here that you ever had a brother? Or "forget" again? > > > >> But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is > >> it? > >Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on > >sci.env longer than you, however. > >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to > >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 > >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) > > > >Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard > >and shaking yer fist at people , the same as > >"working on creating wildlife habitat?" > > > >8 Years? Where's your product? Where is it Mike? I saw no evidence of it on yer website. Prove you are not a self-serving fraud. > >Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with > >feelsgood production-killing placebos and other > >things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change. > >It smells pretty good out here. > >--Doug PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear. Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses AND the Prez. Pure as it gets. So? Are you better off now than seven years ago? Are you proud with what they have done to America and her reputation? ...To your reputation? ....all the sleaze, lies and bribery? How about all the killing? ....Americans torture now? Proud? If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then name ONE good thing about Republicanism. Just one. Just one *real* thing. Can't do it? You have only feelsgood rhetoric? So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then? |
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01-06.-2008, 07:55 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote: >On May 31, 6:52 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com> >wrote: >> Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this... >> As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his >> misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that >> Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his >> illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain >> point. It is quite sad. > > >I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick >way. > >What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly >transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for >MTBers. Including areas of national parks. Fire roads only. Not real mountain biking. >E.P. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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01-06.-2008, 07:58 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On Sat, 31 May 2008 20:21:31 GMT, playing@always.edu (Doug Bashford)
wrote: > > > On 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about: > Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: >> > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said >> >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: > > >> >> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural, >> >> >human response to death. >> >> > >> >> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed >> >> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent. >> > >> >..........big snip >> > >> >> Too bad it's 100% lies. >> > >> >Do you deny your brother was killed in a >> >bike accedent, Mike? >> >> Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we >> know you are a mountain biker. > >Since we've both been posting on sci.environment >since the early '90s, thousands of posts each, >and you don't recognize me, that pretty much proves >you are not an environmentalist, doesn't it? >You simply don't read sci.environment. You >simply use it a cover for your anti-bike screes. > > "Mike Vandeman, environmentalist! " >...obviously part of your delusional self image. >And above is part of the proof. You know >NOTHING about what's going on in sci.environment. >And your posts prove that, too. > >I'd not have much problem with that, except you >project environmentalism as a warped vindictive >movement. To the quick traveler, you confirm in >alt.mountain-bike, rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry, >ca.environment, and sci.environment everything >Rush Limbaugh ever said about environmentalists, >including "long haired maggot infested environmental >whacko," and so much more. > >> >> >How was your brother killed? >> >What did he die of? > >You "forgot" to answer Mike. >And I don't believe in coincidence. No, I didn't. Just look above: " Too bad it's 100% lies". It's 100% FABRICATION. Where's your EVIDENCE I know, it's unfair to ask a mountain biker for evidence, because they don't HAVE any! -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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01-06.-2008, 10:17 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On May 31, 3:55 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero > > >I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick > >way. > > >What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly > >transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for > >MTBers. Including areas of national parks. > > Fire roads only. Not real mountain biking. I have no clue as to why you think that response invalidates my point. E.P. |
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01-06.-2008, 10:44 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On May 31, 9:17*pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 31, 3:55 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero > > > >I've been reading his drivel for years. *It's entertaining in a sick > > >way. > > > >What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly > > >transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for > > >MTBers. *Including areas of national parks. > > > Fire roads only. Not real mountain biking. > > I have no clue as to why you think that response invalidates my point. > > E.P. Maybe he's fighting with Helen...again. |
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01-06.-2008, 11:42 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
"Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message news:367616a3-759c-49bd-9e23-d48ac55f9050@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On May 31, 9:52 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this... > As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his > misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that > Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his > illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain > point. It is quite sad. Poor, sick bastard. No wonder his wife made him get a vasectomy, she was probably repulsed at the idea of a Mike Jr. running around. She probably thought one nut in the house was enough. He doesn't need a vasectomy, his personality is good enough for birth control |
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01-06.-2008, 01:35 PM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:17:12 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote: >On May 31, 3:55 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero >> >> >I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick >> >way. >> >> >What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly >> >transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for >> >MTBers. Including areas of national parks. >> >> Fire roads only. Not real mountain biking. > >I have no clue as to why you think that response invalidates my point. I have no idea why you think you made a point. >E.P. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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01-06.-2008, 01:48 PM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On Sat, 31 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about: Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. > On Sat, 31 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: > > On 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about: > > Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. > >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: > >> > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said > >> >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: ............snip > >I'd not have much problem with that, except you > >project environmentalism as a warped vindictive > >movement. To the quick traveler, you confirm in > >alt.mountain-bike, rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry, > >ca.environment, and sci.environment everything > >Rush Limbaugh ever said about environmentalists, > >including "long haired maggot infested environmental > >whacko," and so much more. > > > >> > >> >How was your brother killed? > >> >What did he die of? > > > >You "forgot" to answer Mike. > >And I don't believe in coincidence. > > No, I didn't. Just look above: " Too bad it's 100% lies". It's 100% > FABRICATION. Where's your EVIDENCE I know, it's unfair to ask a > mountain biker for evidence, because they don't HAVE any! > -- OK Mike, you don't want to talk about the tragedies in your family. I guess I'll let it slide, mostly out of respect for the deceased and for the man you once were. We once had very similar values, and perhaps still do. Your problem is, your tactics have gone to hell. Did you know? If we don't change our direction, we'll end up where we're headed. What does Vandeman value? Who is he? Google: Results about 18,300 from Jan 1, 1981 to Aug 31, 2008 for author:Vandeman ....and without bikes: Results 2,670 from Jan 1, 1981 to Aug 31, 2008 for -bike OR -biker OR -bikes author:Vandeman ...or one in 6.85 not about bikes. Results 2,720 from Jan 1, 2006 to Aug 31, 2008 for author:Vandeman ....and without bikes: Results 61 from Jan 1, 2006 to Aug 31, 2008 for -bike OR -biker OR -bikes author:Vandeman ...or one in 44.59. If we don't change our direction,... -- PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear. Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses AND the Prez. Pure as it gets. So? Are you better off now than seven years ago? Are you proud with what they have done to America and her reputation? ...To your reputation? ....all the sleaze, lies and bribery? How about all the killing? ....Americans torture now? Proud? If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then name ONE good thing about Republicanism. Just one. Just one *real* thing. Can't do it? You have only feelsgood rhetoric? So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then? |
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01-06.-2008, 04:27 PM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On May 31, 9:35 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:17:12 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero > > <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On May 31, 3:55 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero > > >> >I've been reading his drivel for years. It's entertaining in a sick > >> >way. > > >> >What cracks me up is that during the time he's been endlessly > >> >transferring electrons, access to wild areas has increased for > >> >MTBers. Including areas of national parks. > > >> Fire roads only. Not real mountain biking. > > >I have no clue as to why you think that response invalidates my point. > > I have no idea why you think you made a point. Yes, that is quite obvious. At least with the first four words of your reply you were telling the truth. For once. E.P. |
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02-06.-2008, 02:38 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:48:16 GMT, playing@always.edu (Doug Bashford)
wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about: > Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. > > >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: >> > On 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about: >> > Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said >> >> >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote: > >...........snip > >> >I'd not have much problem with that, except you >> >project environmentalism as a warped vindictive >> >movement. To the quick traveler, you confirm in >> >alt.mountain-bike, rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry, >> >ca.environment, and sci.environment everything >> >Rush Limbaugh ever said about environmentalists, >> >including "long haired maggot infested environmental >> >whacko," and so much more. >> > >> >> >> >> >How was your brother killed? >> >> >What did he die of? >> > >> >You "forgot" to answer Mike. >> >And I don't believe in coincidence. >> >> No, I didn't. Just look above: " Too bad it's 100% lies". It's 100% >> FABRICATION. Where's your EVIDENCE I know, it's unfair to ask a >> mountain biker for evidence, because they don't HAVE any! >> -- > >OK Mike, you don't want to talk about >the tragedies in your family. I guess >I'll let it slide, mostly out of respect >for the deceased and for the man you >once were. This is pure BS. You obiously don't know what you are talking about, and FABRICATED that entire story. And you aren't man enough to admit it. Mountain bikers never are! Once a LIAR, ALWAYS a LIAR. I guess you don't value your reputation. We once had very similar values, >and perhaps still do. Your problem is, >your tactics have gone to hell. > >Did you know? >If we don't change our direction, >we'll end up where we're headed. > >What does Vandeman value? Who is he? >Google: >Results about 18,300 from Jan 1, 1981 to Aug 31, 2008 for >author:Vandeman >...and without bikes: > Results 2,670 from Jan 1, 1981 to Aug 31, 2008 for -bike OR >-biker OR -bikes author:Vandeman > ...or one in 6.85 not about bikes. > > > Results 2,720 from Jan 1, 2006 to Aug 31, 2008 for >author:Vandeman >...and without bikes: > Results 61 from Jan 1, 2006 to Aug 31, 2008 for -bike OR >-biker OR -bikes author:Vandeman > ...or one in 44.59. > > >If we don't change our direction,... -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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02-06.-2008, 09:12 AM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
Mike=Sociopath/personality disorder. The lines blur between truth and
untruth for Mike. Interesting...everyone that posts on these usenet are liars in comparison with St Mike who has never told a lie. Mike's motto should read... >> am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to lies ("pure lies according to Mike"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years lying .) I cannot tell a lie, I chopped down the cherry tree and lied on the usenets. Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! I did and lost my mind. |
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02-06.-2008, 11:36 PM
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Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
maguahiker@gmail.com said about: Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers. > Mike=Sociopath/personality disorder. The lines blur between truth and > untruth for Mike. > > Interesting...everyone that posts on these usenet are liars in > comparison with St Mike who has never told a lie. What a legacy he leaves, huh? His tombstone will read: Here lies a good man who at every turn lost track of the Big Picture, and died shaking his fist at bicyclists. http://www.google.com/search?num=30...ger&btnG=Search The Stages Of Grief A Normal Life Process; Five Stages Of Grief. 1. Denial and Isolation. ... Anger. The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the ... http://www.memorialhospital.org/lib...ress-THE-3.html - 17k - ------- Anger and the Grieving Process Anger is but one of many emotional reactions to the painful reality of death. It is important to recognize anger as a natural, human response. ... www.tcfcanada.net/articles/coping/anger.htm - 11k - ------- Grieving Your primary task in dealing with anger, of course, is to acknowledge and accept ... This is the most painful stage of the grieving process, because it's ... www.divorceinfo.com/grieving.htm - 35k - ------- Coping With Death, Grief, and Loss Handout Time and support facilitate the grieving process, allowing an ... Anger may result from feeling abandoned, occurring in cases of loss through death. ... www.uiowa.edu/~ucs/griefloss.html - 35k - ------- Grieving and Healing - 5 Steps to Help You Through the Grieving ... In my practice as a therapist, I have counseled many people who lost a loved one and worked through the grieving process. Combining my own experience with ... seniorliving.about.com/od/lifetransitionsaging/a/grieving.htm - 23k - ------- Grief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia While many who grieve are able to work through their loss independently, accessing additional support from bereavement professionals may promote the process ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grief - 66k - ------- The Grieving Process The grieving process gives us time to reflect and find new strength that ... Understanding more about grief and the grieving process can help you heal, ... http://www.hns.org/CenterforGriefHe...90/Default.aspx - 19k - ------- PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear. Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses AND the Prez. Pure as it gets. So? Are you better off now than seven years ago? Are you proud with what they have done to America and her reputation? ...To your reputation? ....all the sleaze, lies and bribery? How about all the killing? ....Americans torture now? Proud? If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then name ONE good thing about Republicanism. Just one. Just one *real* thing. Can't do it? You have only feelsgood rhetoric? So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then? |
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