Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Doug Bashford

On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:

> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
> >human response to death.
> >
> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.

...........big snip

> Too bad it's 100% lies.

Do you deny your brother was killed in a
bike accedent, Mike?

How was your brother killed?
What did he die of?

> But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
> it?

Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
sci.env longer than you, however.

> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)


Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
"working on creating wildlife habitat?"

8 Years? Where's your product?

Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
It smells pretty good out here.
--Doug

PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 04:54:57 GMT, playing@always.edu (Doug Bashford)
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
> Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
>
>
>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:
>
>> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
>> >human response to death.
>> >
>> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
>> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.
>
>..........big snip
>
>> Too bad it's 100% lies.
>
>Do you deny your brother was killed in a
>bike accedent, Mike?

Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we know you are a
mountain biker.

>How was your brother killed?
>What did he die of?
>
>> But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
>> it?
>
>Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
>sci.env longer than you, however.
>
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
>
>Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
>and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
>"working on creating wildlife habitat?"
>
>8 Years? Where's your product?
>
>Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
>feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
>things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
>It smells pretty good out here.
>--Doug
>
>PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
>Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
>AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
> So?
>Are you better off now than seven years ago?
>Are you proud with what they have done to
>America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
>...all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
>How about all the killing?
>...Americans torture now? Proud?
>
>If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
>name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
> Just one.
>
>Just one *real* thing.
>
>Can't do it?
>You have only feelsgood rhetoric?
>
>So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?
>
>
>
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

maguahiker@gmail.com

Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
Paranoid personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Mental retardation

Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
and yeah...he's an asshole

Enoch

On May 30, 3:03 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
> personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
> DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
> Paranoid personality disorder
> Borderline personality disorder
> Antisocial personality disorder
> Dependent personality disorder
> Mental retardation
>
> Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
> antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
> be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
> ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
> obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
> since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
> and yeah...he's an asshole

This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
or at least send them to another forum..

Ed Pirrero

On May 30, 8:31*am, Enoch <chris.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 3:03 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
> > personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
> > DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
> > Paranoid personality disorder
> > Borderline personality disorder
> > Antisocial personality disorder
> > Dependent personality disorder
> > Mental retardation
>
> > Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
> > antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
> > be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
> > ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
> > obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
> > since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
> > and yeah...he's an asshole
>
> This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
> belong in the Backcountry forum. *It has nothing to do with the
> backcountry, not even remotely. *You guys should start a new forum
> called "user conflict in the outdoors". *I wish there were an
> administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
> or at least send them to another forum..- Hide quoted text -

You're obviously new here.

Google a bit. You'll find this crap has been x-posted widely for over
a decade. Learn to use your filters, or to ignore that which bothers
you.

Or, like the MTBers, go to www.spokejunkies.com, where Mike's
"oratory" has been effectively filtered.

E.P.

DI

"Enoch" <chris.then@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c53c1cd-e692-4954-8bba->> Any of which Mike has qualities but it would
seem Borderline and
>
> This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
> belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
> backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
> called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
> administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
> or at least send them to another forum..

It has nothing to do with Mountain Biking either, It's just Vandeman,
blowing off steam. He tried Mountain Biking once and could not do it, so
now he has a hard-on for all bikers regardless of where or what they ride.

Doug Bashford

in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
In <ah5v345plr108pou539f227g12ijqbdcth@4ax.com>
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about:
Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


> On Fri, 30 May 2008 04:54:57 GMT, playing@always.edu (Doug Bashford)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
> > Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:
> >
> >> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
> >> >human response to death.
> >> >
> >> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
> >> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.
> >
> >..........big snip
> >
> >> Too bad it's 100% lies.
> >
> >Do you deny your brother was killed in a
> >bike accedent, Mike?
>
> Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we know you are a
> mountain biker.


That's not what you told me in email in 1994.

Ring any bells?


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Msg#: 36 Pvt Rec'd
From: mjvande@pbhye.pacbell.com Read: Yes
Replied: No
To: Doug Bashford Mark:

......snip
Sincerely,

Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
pbhye@pacbell.com
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> >How was your brother killed?
> >What did he die of?

Either you were lying then, or now.
Would you like me to post yer letter?


> >
> >> But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
> >> it?
> >
> >Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
> >sci.env longer than you, however.
> >
> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> >
> >
> >Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
> >and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
> >"working on creating wildlife habitat?"
> >
> >8 Years? Where's your product?

Well?

> >
> >Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
> >feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
> >things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
> >It smells pretty good out here.
> >--Doug
> >
PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?

Enoch

On May 30, 8:52 am, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 8:31 am, Enoch <chris.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 3:03 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
> > > personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
> > > DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
> > > Paranoid personality disorder
> > > Borderline personality disorder
> > > Antisocial personality disorder
> > > Dependent personality disorder
> > > Mental retardation
>
> > > Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
> > > antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
> > > be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
> > > ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
> > > obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
> > > since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
> > > and yeah...he's an asshole
>
> > This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
> > belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
> > backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
> > called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
> > administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
> > or at least send them to another forum..- Hide quoted text -
>
> You're obviously new here.
>
> Google a bit. You'll find this crap has been x-posted widely for over
> a decade. Learn to use your filters, or to ignore that which bothers
> you.
>
> Or, like the MTBers, go towww.spokejunkies.com, where Mike's
> "oratory" has been effectively filtered.
>
> E.P.

Yeah, I better figure out how to filter stuff quick, otherwise I won't
last here.

maguahiker@gmail.com

So mike sent a false truth email in 1994? I can't believe he would
ever lie!

Mike Vandeman

Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.

http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"

You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT), Enoch <chris.then@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On May 30, 3:03 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Doug, I can see your point in your posts for sure! Malignant
>> personality disorder is another way of describing a various group of
>> DSM dx. such as Peronality disorders, such as
>> Paranoid personality disorder
>> Borderline personality disorder
>> Antisocial personality disorder
>> Dependent personality disorder
>> Mental retardation
>>
>> Any of which Mike has qualities but it would seem Borderline and
>> antisocial are strongly prevalent. Malignant simply implies they can
>> be damaging to other's psyche after awhile with there non-facts and
>> ways of life, such as mike proves daily. I now simply point out the
>> obvious to signal to several others. Don't take his material seriously
>> since it is not based on fact, rather the conflicts of his own mind.
>> and yeah...he's an asshole
>
>This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
>belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
>backcountry, not even remotely.

Please explain. Where do you thing that mountain biking is happening?

You guys should start a new forum
>called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
>administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
>or at least send them to another forum..
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:40:14 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote:

>
>"Enoch" <chris.then@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1c53c1cd-e692-4954-8bba->> Any of which Mike has qualities but it would
>seem Borderline and
>>
>> This entire string of mt. bike vs. hiker is out of place and doesn't
>> belong in the Backcountry forum. It has nothing to do with the
>> backcountry, not even remotely. You guys should start a new forum
>> called "user conflict in the outdoors". I wish there were an
>> administrator to delete things you write before they are posted here,
>> or at least send them to another forum..
>
>It has nothing to do with Mountain Biking either, It's just Vandeman,
>blowing off steam. He tried Mountain Biking once and could not do it, so
>now he has a hard-on for all bikers regardless of where or what they ride.

If you want the truth, you sure won't hear it from any mountain biker!
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:37:48 GMT, playing@always.edu (Doug Bashford)
wrote:

>
> in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
> In <ah5v345plr108pou539f227g12ijqbdcth@4ax.com>
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:53:41 -0700, Mike Vandeman said about:
> Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
>
>
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 04:54:57 GMT, playing@always.edu (Doug Bashford)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Mike Vandeman said about:
>> > Re: Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 (Doug Bashford) wrote:
>> >
>> >> >It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
>> >> >human response to death.
>> >> >
>> >> > Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
>> >> >in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.
>> >
>> >..........big snip
>> >
>> >> Too bad it's 100% lies.
>> >
>> >Do you deny your brother was killed in a
>> >bike accedent, Mike?
>>
>> Yes. That is just one of your many LIES. That's how we know you are a
>> mountain biker.
>
>
>That's not what you told me in email in 1994.

So where's the beef???? Where's the alleged part about an alleged
brother dying? You fabricated it, just as you fabricated everything
else.

>Ring any bells?
>
>
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> Msg#: 36 Pvt Rec'd
> From: mjvande@pbhye.pacbell.com Read: Yes
>Replied: No
> To: Doug Bashford Mark:
>
>.....snip
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
> pbhye@pacbell.com
>@Via Squish 1.10 1:102/851, UTC
>@Via QM 1:102/742, (v1.31)
>@Via Node 1:102/524, (QM v1.00)
>@Via Squish 1:102/138.0, UTC
>@Via MsgTrack 1:102/129, UTC
>
>
>
>> >How was your brother killed?
>> >What did he die of?
>
>Either you were lying then, or now.
>Would you like me to post yer letter?
>
>
>> >
>> >> But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
>> >> it?
>> >
>> >Never been on a mountain bike. Could be I've been on
>> >sci.env longer than you, however.
>> >
>> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>> >
>> >
>> >Oh really!? Since when is pissing into a keyboard
>> >and shaking yer fist at people , the same as
>> >"working on creating wildlife habitat?"
>> >
>> >8 Years? Where's your product?
>
>Well?
>
>> >
>> >Focus, Mike. Stop drugging down your anger with
>> >feelsgood production-killing placebos and other
>> >things of the Dark Side. Choose Life for a change.
>> >It smells pretty good out here.
>> >--Doug
>> >
>PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
>Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
>AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
> So?
>Are you better off now than seven years ago?
>Are you proud with what they have done to
>America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
>...all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
>How about all the killing?
>...Americans torture now? Proud?
>
>If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
>name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
> Just one.
>
>Just one *real* thing.
>
>Can't do it?
>You have only feelsgood rhetoric?
>
>So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?
>
>
>
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

maguahiker@gmail.com

Doug, Enoch, Di, Ed and anyone else reading this...
As you have all experienced so far. The repeated denials of his
misinformation, emails that were sent priorly, prior posts, etc that
Mike continues to exhibit continue to show the avoidance of his
illness. He can't stop lying and he believes himself after a certain
point. It is quite sad.