Lance's ladies

Howard Kveck

In article <7f262c81-dabb-43c0-b8fc-3189749e29b9@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> wrote:

> > How long has He been dead?
>
> Dumbasses,
>
> At least since September 2007:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
>
> Please watch this. For the sake of the children.
> It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> Tour TTT.
>
> If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
>
> This is what finally convinced me that the
> Eighties are actually over.

Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that eight year old
shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well, at least we didn't
have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just got it's paw stepped on (though the
pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Ryan Cousineau

In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article
> <7f262c81-dabb-43c0-b8fc-3189749e29b9@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > How long has He been dead?
> >
> > Dumbasses,
> >
> > At least since September 2007:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
> >
> > Please watch this. For the sake of the children.
> > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > Tour TTT.
> >
> > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
> >
> > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > Eighties are actually over.
>
> Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that eight
> year old
> shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well, at least we
> didn't
> have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just got it's paw stepped on (though
> the
> pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).

As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.

At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
blame tuning for that.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ted van de Weteringe

Ryan Cousineau schreef:
>> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
>
> At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad,

You practicing your ability for understatement? Well done.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On Jun 4, 12:06*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> *Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > How long has He been dead?
>
> > > Dumbasses,
>
> > > At least since September 2007:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
>
> > > Please watch this. *For the sake of the children.
> > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > Tour TTT.
>
> > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
>
> > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > Eighties are actually over.
>
> > * *Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that eight
> > * *year old
> > shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well, at least we
> > didn't
> > have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just got it's paw stepped on (though
> > the
> > pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).
>
> As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
> the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
>
> At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> blame tuning for that.

There's a more musically literate discussion at
http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007.../jump-in-pitch/
http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007...ght-slap-fight/
although it is hard to figure out who's right.
Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission
of Inquiry at
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/200...alens-jump.html

I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. As for an
explanation for this fiasco? The best I can come up with
is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.

My theory doesn't explain DLR taking a bouncy ride
on a giant phallic microphone, but I think that's going
to stay one of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns.

Ben

SLAVE of THE STATE

On Jun 4, 10:43*am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On Jun 4, 12:06*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> > *Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > How long has He been dead?
>
> > > > Dumbasses,
>
> > > > At least since September 2007:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
>
> > > > Please watch this. *For the sake of the children.
> > > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > > Tour TTT.
>
> > > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
>
> > > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > > Eighties are actually over.
>
> > > * *Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that eight
> > > * *year old
> > > shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well, at least we
> > > didn't
> > > have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just got it's paw stepped on (though
> > > the
> > > pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).
>
> > As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
> > the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> > synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
>
> > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> > blame tuning for that.
>
> There's a more musically literate discussion at
> *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007.../jump-in-pitch/
> *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007...ght-slap-fight/
> although it is hard to figure out who's right.
> Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission
> of Inquiry at
> *http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/200...alens-jump.html
>
> I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
> go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. *

Properly strung and adjusted guitars do not go out of tune easily,
even those with floating whammy bars.

>> 2^(1/12),48/44.1
ans =
1.0594630943593
ans =
1.08843537414966

> As for an
> explanation for this fiasco? *The best I can come up with
> is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.

I have not been able to rule out sampling, if you're talking about the
mismatch. But if your asking why didn't professionals stop and fix
the broken setup -- whatever it was -- well that is truly strange.

> My theory doesn't explain DLR taking a bouncy ride
> on a giant phallic microphone, but I think that's going
> to stay one of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns.

It is just "unknown."

Weirdly, he probably still had his choice of hot chicks after the
show.

"It is good to be the rock star." -- BF starring in _The Search for
the Holy Grail_

Ryan Cousineau

In article <48465b74$0$14351$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Ted van de Weteringe <myfullname@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau schreef:
> >> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
> >
> > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad,
>
> You practicing your ability for understatement? Well done.

It was like Vande Velde on the Gavia.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Howard Kveck

In article <9e0058c5-4f65-4278-86dc-58d8cf7159ed@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On Jun 4, 12:06*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> > *Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > How long has He been dead?
> >
> > > > Dumbasses,
> >
> > > > At least since September 2007:
> >
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
> >
> > > > Please watch this. *For the sake of the children.
> > > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > > Tour TTT.
> >
> > > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
> >
> > > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > > Eighties are actually over.
> >
> > > * *Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that
> > > eight year old shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well,
> > > at least we didn't have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just got it's paw
> > > stepped on (though the pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).
> >
> > As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
> > the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> > synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
> >
> > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> > blame tuning for that.
>
> There's a more musically literate discussion at
> http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007.../jump-in-pitch/
> http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007...ght-slap-fight/
> although it is hard to figure out who's right.
> Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission of Inquiry at
> http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/200...alens-jump.html
>
> I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
> go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. As for an
> explanation for this fiasco? The best I can come up with
> is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.

Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don't know if he'd
just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't, there is time during
the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway, on a tour that size,
they would have some very competent techs, not some guy from down the street.
Whatever, it was a mess. It was interesting that in the Popwatch article, the
playback guy blamed the playback and seriously defended EvH.

> My theory doesn't explain DLR taking a bouncy ride
> on a giant phallic microphone, but I think that's going
> to stay one of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns.

I think he borrowed that idea from Mick Jagger. Years ago he had an inflatable
penis that rose out of the stage and he'd "ride" that during their set.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

SLAVE of THE STATE

On Jun 4, 11:20*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <9e0058c5-4f65-4278-86dc-58d8cf715...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 12:06*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> > > *Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > How long has He been dead?
>
> > > > > Dumbasses,
>
> > > > > At least since September 2007:
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
>
> > > > > Please watch this. *For the sake of the children.
> > > > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > > > Tour TTT.
>
> > > > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
>
> > > > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > > > Eighties are actually over.
>
> > > > * *Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that
> > > > eight year old shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat?Oh well,
> > > > at least we didn't have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just gotit's paw
> > > > stepped on (though the pony ride was inspiring - at least as long asit lasted).
>
> > > As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
> > > the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> > > synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
>
> > > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> > > blame tuning for that.
>
> > There's a more musically literate discussion at
> > *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007.../jump-in-pitch/
> > *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007...ght-slap-fight/
> > although it is hard to figure out who's right.
> > Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission of Inquiry at
> > *http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/200...alens-jump.html
>
> > I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
> > go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. *As for an
> > explanation for this fiasco? *The best I can come up with
> > is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.
>
> * *Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don'tknow if he'd
> just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't, there is time during
> the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway, on a tour that size,
> they would have some very competent techs, not some guy from down the street.

At a glance, maybe some pro techs are not so keen. For ex:

Clayton Janes (playback tech): I think it's a complete backing track
issue. [The synthesizer] is a digital recording off a computer and
normally played at a sample rate of 44.1k. In this case, I think it's
already been proven that a master clock source was at 48k, a higher
quality playback. What happens is that it transposes a pitch shift so
all of a sudden, it's playing three [half-]steps higher.

Unless I'm making a mistake, the sampling rate difference is about
midway between a half-step and whole-step.

>> format short,sr=48/44.1,hs1=2^(1/12),hs2=2^(2/12),hs1/sr,hs2/sr
sr =
1.0884
hs1 =
1.0595
hs2 =
1.1225
ans =
0.9734
ans =
1.0313


Lonnie Totman (guitar tech): It was 100 percent a guitar issue. All of
Eddie's guitars, except one, are tuned to E flat. He typically has one
in E, a half step off, for a couple of songs, and he was either handed
that one or he grabbed it.

There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
sharp compared to the studio version. If that was intentional, then
the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
opposite of what Totman says.

> Whatever, it was a mess. It was interesting that in the Popwatch article, the
> playback guy blamed the playback and seriously defended EvH.
>
> > My theory doesn't explain DLR taking a bouncy ride
> > on a giant phallic microphone, but I think that's going
> > to stay one of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns.
>
> * *I think he borrowed that idea from Mick Jagger. Years ago he had aninflatable
> penis that rose out of the stage and he'd "ride" that during their set.

I don't get how a man riding a phallic symbol is supposed to attract
hot chicks. It is very strange.

Michael Press

In article
<caf25517-e382-40ee-8a2d-4e2e3559efbc@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:

> On Jun 4, 11:20*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article <9e0058c5-4f65-4278-86dc-58d8cf715...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> > > On Jun 4, 12:06*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> > > > *Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > How long has He been dead?
> >
> > > > > > Dumbasses,
> >
> > > > > > At least since September 2007:
> >
> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
> >
> > > > > > Please watch this. *For the sake of the children.
> > > > > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > > > > Tour TTT.
> >
> > > > > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > > > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
> >
> > > > > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > > > > Eighties are actually over.
> >
> > > > > * *Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that
> > > > > eight year old shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well,
> > > > > at least we didn't have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just got it's paw
> > > > > stepped on (though the pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).
> >
> > > > As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
> > > > the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> > > > synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
> >
> > > > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> > > > blame tuning for that.
> >
> > > There's a more musically literate discussion at
> > > *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007.../jump-in-pitch/
> > > *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007...ght-slap-fight/
> > > although it is hard to figure out who's right.
> > > Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission of Inquiry at
> > > *http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/200...alens-jump.html
> >
> > > I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
> > > go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. *As for an
> > > explanation for this fiasco? *The best I can come up with
> > > is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.
> >
> > * *Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don't know if he'd
> > just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't, there is time during
> > the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway, on a tour that size,
> > they would have some very competent techs, not some guy from down the street.
>
> At a glance, maybe some pro techs are not so keen. For ex:
>
> Clayton Janes (playback tech): I think it's a complete backing track
> issue. [The synthesizer] is a digital recording off a computer and
> normally played at a sample rate of 44.1k. In this case, I think it's
> already been proven that a master clock source was at 48k, a higher
> quality playback. What happens is that it transposes a pitch shift so
> all of a sudden, it's playing three [half-]steps higher.
>
> Unless I'm making a mistake, the sampling rate difference is about
> midway between a half-step and whole-step.
>
> >> format short,sr=48/44.1,hs1=2^(1/12),hs2=2^(2/12),hs1/sr,hs2/sr
> sr =
> 1.0884
> hs1 =
> 1.0595
> hs2 =
> 1.1225
> ans =
> 0.9734
> ans =
> 1.0313
>
>
> Lonnie Totman (guitar tech): It was 100 percent a guitar issue. All of
> Eddie's guitars, except one, are tuned to E flat. He typically has one
> in E, a half step off, for a couple of songs, and he was either handed
> that one or he grabbed it.
>
> There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
> sharp compared to the studio version. If that was intentional, then
> the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
> opposite of what Totman says.

I have no idea what happened.
The wrong guitar theory needs to explain EvH not transposing.
Was he too wasted or angry to care?
Looks like nobody is going to say what happened. They would
rather milk the story. In the discussion where three `experts'
promoted mutually exclusive theories, one of them filled most
pronouncements with qualifiers and hypotheticals. I think they
are laughing at us.

--
Michael Press

William Asher

Michael Press wrote:

>
> I have no idea what happened.
> The wrong guitar theory needs to explain EvH not transposing.
> Was he too wasted or angry to care?
> Looks like nobody is going to say what happened. They would
> rather milk the story. In the discussion where three `experts'
> promoted mutually exclusive theories, one of them filled most
> pronouncements with qualifiers and hypotheticals. I think they
> are laughing at us.
>

I think nobody is talking because they saw what happened to Roger Clemens.
If this goes the way I think it will (congressional investigation with
subpoenas), everyone knows the best thing to do it to shut up so that you
won't contradict your public statements during sworn testimony (it also
helps not to be tapping teenage country music stars as well, but that goes
without saying except that I did say it). Also, there might be national
security issues at stake in that if the synthesizer was reprogrammed
remotely, using remote viewing, Cameron Vale, or a hacked iPhone, the DoD
doesn't want that to get out since the same chip used in the Roland is also
used in the W-88, W-78, and B-83. But you didn't hear that from me.

--
Bill Asher

SLAVE of THE STATE

On Jun 5, 11:15*am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <caf25517-e382-40ee-8a2d-4e2e3559e...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> *SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 11:20*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article <9e0058c5-4f65-4278-86dc-58d8cf715...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> > > > On Jun 4, 12:06*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <YOURhoward-7B2B59.23073503062...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> > > > > *Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > *"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVE.global..net>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > How long has He been dead?
>
> > > > > > > Dumbasses,
>
> > > > > > > At least since September 2007:
>
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
>
> > > > > > > Please watch this. *For the sake of the children.
> > > > > > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > > > > > Tour TTT.
>
> > > > > > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > > > > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
>
> > > > > > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > > > > > Eighties are actually over.
>
> > > > > > * *Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that
> > > > > > eight year old shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat? Oh well,
> > > > > > at least we didn't have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that justgot it's paw
> > > > > > stepped on (though the pony ride was inspiring - at least as long as it lasted).
>
> > > > > As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem wasthat
> > > > > the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> > > > > synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
>
> > > > > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> > > > > blame tuning for that.
>
> > > > There's a more musically literate discussion at
> > > > *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007.../jump-in-pitch/
> > > > *http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007...ght-slap-fight/
> > > > although it is hard to figure out who's right.
> > > > Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission of Inquiry at
> > > > *http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/200...alens-jump.html
>
> > > > I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
> > > > go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. *As for an
> > > > explanation for this fiasco? *The best I can come up with
> > > > is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.
>
> > > * *Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don't know if he'd
> > > just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't, there is time during
> > > the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway, on a tourthat size,
> > > they would have some very competent techs, not some guy from down the street.
>
> > At a glance, maybe some pro techs are not so keen. *For ex:
>
> > Clayton Janes (playback tech): I think it's a complete backing track
> > issue. [The synthesizer] is a digital recording off a computer and
> > normally played at a sample rate of 44.1k. In this case, I think it's
> > already been proven that a master clock source was at 48k, a higher
> > quality playback. What happens is that it transposes a pitch shift so
> > all of a sudden, it's playing three [half-]steps higher.
>
> > Unless I'm making a mistake, the sampling rate difference is about
> > midway between a half-step and whole-step.
>
> > >> format short,sr=48/44.1,hs1=2^(1/12),hs2=2^(2/12),hs1/sr,hs2/sr
> > sr =
> > * * 1.0884
> > hs1 =
> > * * 1.0595
> > hs2 =
> > * * 1.1225
> > ans =
> > * * 0.9734
> > ans =
> > * * 1.0313
>
> > Lonnie Totman (guitar tech): It was 100 percent a guitar issue. All of
> > Eddie's guitars, except one, are tuned to E flat. He typically has one
> > in E, a half step off, for a couple of songs, and he was either handed
> > that one or he grabbed it.
>
> > There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
> > sharp compared to the studio version. *If that was intentional, then
> > the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
> > opposite of what Totman says.
>
> I have no idea what happened.
> The wrong guitar theory needs to explain EvH not transposing.

It isn't quite that simple. With guitar, the use of open strings --
and the consequent unique fingerings -- ultimately require that the
(open) tuning is done in the right key. Moreover, the muscle memory
of the player, and tonal quality plus attack, are also dependent on
the correct tuning. So while it would be better than not transposing
at all, many of the characteristic sounds would simply not be
available by transposing on-the-spot. It would be a ghost version of
the song, since Van Halen is a rock guitar music band.

> Was he too wasted or angry to care?

I can't give any good reason why they did not stop then restart
correctly.

If he had been using his Steinberger with its transtrem, he could have
easily got the tuning locked in on-the-spot, if indeed the problem was
his guitar. He would have lost the floating whammy though, because
you can only float it (including the Steinberger) given an equilibrium
at the open tuning.

He changes the guitar open tuning (key) during the song with a
Steinberger transtrem in this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOAw36Vlsw

You can really hear the change back up to the higher tuning at the end
of the solo.

> Looks like nobody is going to say what happened.

I know I could figure it out by certain technical tests, if it were
worth it to me. It isn't worth it to me.

> They would
> rather milk the story. In the discussion where three `experts'
> promoted mutually exclusive theories, one of them filled most
> pronouncements with qualifiers and hypotheticals. I think they
> are laughing at us.

I think if I cared about that sort of thing I would not be a usenet
poster.

Howard Kveck

In article <caf25517-e382-40ee-8a2d-4e2e3559efbc@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:

> On Jun 4, 11:20*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > * *Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don't know
> > if he'd just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't, there is
> > time during the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway, on a
> > tour that size, they would have some very competent techs, not some guy from
> > down the street.
>
> At a glance, maybe some pro techs are not so keen.

I should say that they may not be able to explain what is happening but they
generally can actually do what's expected of them pretty damn well.

> For ex:
>
> Clayton Janes (playback tech): I think it's a complete backing track
> issue. [The synthesizer] is a digital recording off a computer and
> normally played at a sample rate of 44.1k. In this case, I think it's
> already been proven that a master clock source was at 48k, a higher
> quality playback. What happens is that it transposes a pitch shift so
> all of a sudden, it's playing three [half-]steps higher.
>
> Unless I'm making a mistake, the sampling rate difference is about
> midway between a half-step and whole-step.
>
> >> format short,sr=48/44.1,hs1=2^(1/12),hs2=2^(2/12),hs1/sr,hs2/sr
> sr =
> 1.0884
> hs1 =
> 1.0595
> hs2 =
> 1.1225
> ans =
> 0.9734
> ans =
> 1.0313
>
> Lonnie Totman (guitar tech): It was 100 percent a guitar issue. All of
> Eddie's guitars, except one, are tuned to E flat. He typically has one
> in E, a half step off, for a couple of songs, and he was either handed
> that one or he grabbed it.
>
> There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
> sharp compared to the studio version. If that was intentional, then
> the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
> opposite of what Totman says.

I saw a comment on the YouTube page about the keyboards being "1.5 octaves too
high" - um, right... I'm going to fool around with playing something I've recorded at
a higher sample rate this weekend. I'm curious if it can do what he said.

> > Whatever, it was a mess. It was interesting that in the Popwatch article, the
> > playback guy blamed the playback and seriously defended EvH.

On reflection, I bet he says that because he's wangling to get the job with Van
Halen on their next tour.

> > > My theory doesn't explain DLR taking a bouncy ride
> > > on a giant phallic microphone, but I think that's going
> > > to stay one of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns.
> >
> > * *I think he borrowed that idea from Mick Jagger. Years ago he had an
> > inflatable penis that rose out of the stage and he'd "ride" that during their set.
>
> I don't get how a man riding a phallic symbol is supposed to attract
> hot chicks. It is very strange.

I suppose the idea is to give the ladies the idea that the person riding the phaux
phallus is packing enormous equipment. Also (a very important 'also', btw): it
depends on who is riding the enormous inflatable penis.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Ryan Cousineau

In article <YOURhoward-F69DD5.23525405062008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article
> <caf25517-e382-40ee-8a2d-4e2e3559efbc@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 4, 11:20*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article
>
> > > * *Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don't
> > > know
> > > if he'd just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't,
> > > there is
> > > time during the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway,
> > > on a
> > > tour that size, they would have some very competent techs, not some guy
> > > from
> > > down the street.

> > There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
> > sharp compared to the studio version. If that was intentional, then
> > the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
> > opposite of what Totman says.
>
> I saw a comment on the YouTube page about the keyboards being "1.5 octaves
> too
> high" - um, right... I'm going to fool around with playing something I've
> recorded at
> a higher sample rate this weekend. I'm curious if it can do what he said.

There are also other YouTube videos of them playing that encore
elsewhere on the same tour. Compare and see if the keyboards are in the
same key and, roughly, the same tempo (I don't know if they're using a
loop or an offstage keyboardist).

ObEuro: I'm trying to track down some info on a 19th century Friedrich
Hoxa grand piano. So if the Benjo Maso of keyboards is out there, I need
your digits.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Howard Kveck

In article <rcousine-D4488B.08155906062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <YOURhoward-F69DD5.23525405062008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <caf25517-e382-40ee-8a2d-4e2e3559efbc@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> > SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 4, 11:20*pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> >
> > > > * *Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don't
> > > > know if he'd just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he
> > > > hadn't, there is time during the keyboard intro part for him to check
> > > > his tuning. Anyway, on a tour that size, they would have some very
> > > > competent techs, not some guy from down the street.
>
> > > There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
> > > sharp compared to the studio version. If that was intentional, then
> > > the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
> > > opposite of what Totman says.
> >
> > I saw a comment on the YouTube page about the keyboards being "1.5
> > octaves too high" - um, right... I'm going to fool around with playing
> > something I've recorded at a higher sample rate this weekend. I'm curious
> > if it can do what he said.
>
> There are also other YouTube videos of them playing that encore
> elsewhere on the same tour. Compare and see if the keyboards are in the
> same key and, roughly, the same tempo (I don't know if they're using a
> loop or an offstage keyboardist).

I can't subject myself to that much Van Halen. I don't believe they're using a
live keyboard player.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?