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Please sign the bus lane petition.

 
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Old 03-06.-2008, 12:30 AM   #46
Martin
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Nick wrote:
> spindrift wrote:
>> http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=1145
>>
>> The evidence seems clear to me, motorbikes are faster moving, heavier,
>> and pose a greater risk to cyclists.
>>

> I'd sign one to ban buses from bus lanes but I don't have a problem with
> motorbikes.


I agree with that. I have never had a problem with motorbikes.
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Old 03-06.-2008, 12:52 AM   #47
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burtthebike wrote:
>
> "Fr Jack" <sp@m.com> wrote in message
> news:14uq34t455h37eoha2kouc27448iglnbsa@4ax.com...
>> spindrift <newtyres@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> and pose a greater risk to cyclists.

>>
>> Rubbish!

>
> As someone who regularly is forced to share bus lanes with motorcycles,
> this is not rubbish, this is absolutely true. The behaviour of some
> motorcylists is almost unbelievable, and my life has been put at risk a
> number of times by aggressive and irresponsible motorcyclists, in bus
> lanes.


Strange, I have never had trouble with motorbikes in bus lanes, despite
living only a few miles from you.

> One of the problems is that as soon as they are allowed in bus
> lanes, they automatically assume that they can use any cycle facility,
> and do so, including cycle lanes,


Most cycle lanes around here are unsuitable for cyclists, let alone
motorbikes.

> ASLs,


I have no problem with motorbikes[1] sharing an ASL with me. On the
whole the get away faster, I would much prefer them to pass slowly
whilst the traffic lights are red, than wait behind me for the lights to
turn green.

> bicycle parking.


The problem with Bristol is that there is simply not enough bicycle
parking. Where Sheffield stands are provided, they are often full. And
it is not a good idea to lock your bike to railings, as the council like
to chop up peoples locks.

> There's one
> particular quad bike rider in north Bristol who I have difficulty in
> believing that he is still alive, or that he hasn't killed someone.


I have seen one bloke on a quad a couple of times, but not seen anything
bad.


[1] I am talking about proper motorbikes, not those silly things with
lawnmower engines.
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Old 03-06.-2008, 01:39 AM   #48
Just zis Guy, you know?
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
<derderderder619@hotmail.com> said in
<b9abd0ac-d88a-46ad-8cd9-f2dbf78976ff@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:

>> more lies

>Give it up eh?


Something wrong with your attribution, since those words don't
appear anywhere in my post.

Guy
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Old 03-06.-2008, 08:10 PM   #49
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Colin McKenzie wrote:

> - What are bus lanes for?
> Buses.
> - Why were cycles allowed in them?
> Because of the effect of forcing them into the other lane (petrified
> cyclists and delayed motorists). These effects do not happen with
> motorbikes.


Though having cyclists in bus lanes (where the bus lanes are not at
least 1.5 metres wider than a bus) causes trouble as well, IMO. Buses
flow far better in Dutch bus lanes where *only* buses are allowed, and
a separate, segregated cycle lane is provided.

If there isn't space for such a lane, having the bus lanes up the
outside[1] (rather than inside) lane of a dual carriageway works
better. Again this is something that's common outside the UK (and
works really well) but rare in the UK.

[1] i.e. the lane by the central reservation

Neil
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