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Are the ultra high gas prices hurting you?

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Old 29-05.-2008, 04:15 AM   #31
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The US has a very extensive freight rail network. I get the feeling that a ton of freight is being transported by the rails. The railroads are making big bucks, and passanger trains are frequenly delayed because of freight traffic.

The real problem is that many expressways are free. Drivers don't have to pay for the infrastructure that they need.
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Old 29-05.-2008, 04:41 AM   #32
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One of the big issues here is the low US personal savings rate. The fact that many people in the US are financially geared and maxed out to such an extent that an extra $2,000 a year needed for gas is going to seriously cripple a lot of people. If you added $2000 a year of extra expenses to the average person living in Asia... it would mean their annual savings would go down like 20%.

American culture (IMHO... as a generalization) encourages consumerism and materialism and discourages savings. A lot of people here value getting the best house, car, etc. etc. that their means often can't afford. Consequently when their is an upward move in inflation or interest rates... it has a leveraged detrimental effect on a lot of people. There is no financial buffer in a lot of household budgets for any adverse swings in fortune.

The thing that really irritates me is when people blame oil companies for high gas prices and profiteering. Oil companies don't "set" the price of oil. The price of oil is set by global market forces and if anyone could influence it... it would be the OPEC cartel.

If oil companies could affect the price... they wouldn't have let it hang around $12-$25 a barrel for most of the late 80's and 90's.
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Old 29-05.-2008, 06:44 AM   #33
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Hearing Americans say "ultra high gas prices" is a laugh. It's about time the American "entitlement" to cheap gas ends.


I don't know but something here smells fishy
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Old 30-05.-2008, 01:58 AM   #34
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the gas prices are definatelhy hurting me...I have to work overtime just to makeup for the higher prices which the inflated prices of food, clothing, entertainment expense...

gas prices here in the DC area has now reached the $4 threshold for regular this past week and diesel for my work truck is $4.99. I'm sure its just going to increase as the summer drags on.

I've rediscovered cycing recently and have been an irregular mtbiker for the last 4 years, but the gas prices are preventing me from going to the trails that requires driving more than 20 miles. Also I have made an effort to commute by bicycle this past week and purchased a road bike for the 12 mile one way ride to work and made my first commute to work by bike this past saturday and hope to do it on a regular basis.


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Old 31-05.-2008, 02:43 PM   #35
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It is around 1.45 euros here PP. But the problem is that Americans have subscribed to a model where they would rather drive from place A to place B (whether they are several tens/hundreds of miles apart or within the city) rather than use "public transport". Except for some parts, there is really no train network worth speaking about.

Also, you know the American mentality of "we have to change the world to suit us" rather than "we have to change ourselves to adapt to the changing world". (btw, for the Americans reading this, this is partly a joke, but I think it is partly true as well).
Unfortunately, you are completely true, there are so many fat and lazy people here whose lives would be ended if they didn't have their cars to get them from one place to another...most people here refuse to even consider alternative transportation methods. Riding 5 miles isn't bad...they just need to get their heads out of their asses

Just a random question here: Have cab fares risen immensely?
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Old 31-05.-2008, 07:31 PM   #36
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in the dc area they have added a fuel surcharge and now require cabs to install meters like in NYC.
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Old 31-05.-2008, 11:47 PM   #37
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Gas prices have to touch everybody. Product delivery in every shape and form has become more expensive. The one woman coffee cart at work said they are charging her $2 to deliver the dozen and a half pastries daily. Northern California - best price gas is $4.09
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Hearing Americans say "ultra high gas prices" is a laugh. It's about time the American "entitlement" to cheap gas ends.



Hey, our gas is only cheaper than in Europe because our taxes are lower...

If gas here get to $6/gallon, it will be at $11 in Europe.

In 2007 I rode my bike 10,600 miles versus driving a bit over 6,000. Talk about saving money on gas by not driving! I figure that I saved about $946 dollars on my commutes last year by riding...
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Hey, our gas is only cheaper than in Europe because our taxes are lower...

If gas here get to $6/gallon, it will be at $11 in Europe.


That may be, but that doesn't say anything about the prevalent American attitude, the one that says, "Hey! We deserve cheap gas! It's our right!"

The reasons for the price of gasoline--taxes, oil prices--are not what people consider when they go to the pump: it's the price displayed on the pump that people get bent about.
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That may be, but that doesn't say anything about the prevalent American attitude, the one that says, "Hey! We deserve cheap gas! It's our right!"

The reasons for the price of gasoline--taxes, oil prices--are not what people consider when they go to the pump: it's the price displayed on the pump that people get bent about.



If all people want is cheap gas they should move to Venezuela. Then they could have all the gas they want to burn and be ruled by a madman...
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If all people want is cheap gas they should move to Venezuela. Then they could have all the gas they want to burn and be ruled by a madman...
Saudi Arabia is another good option in that regard...
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Saudi Arabia is another good option in that regard...



I am ruled by a woman who is mad at times now, besides not sure I would enjoy the cibo in SA .
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One of the big issues here is the low US personal savings rate. The fact that many people in the US are financially geared and maxed out to such an extent that an extra $2,000 a year needed for gas is going to seriously cripple a lot of people. If you added $2000 a year of extra expenses to the average person living in Asia... it would mean their annual savings would go down like 20%.

American culture (IMHO... as a generalization) encourages consumerism and materialism and discourages savings. A lot of people here value getting the best house, car, etc. etc. that their means often can't afford. Consequently when their is an upward move in inflation or interest rates... it has a leveraged detrimental effect on a lot of people. There is no financial buffer in a lot of household budgets for any adverse swings in fortune.

The thing that really irritates me is when people blame oil companies for high gas prices and profiteering. Oil companies don't "set" the price of oil. The price of oil is set by global market forces and if anyone could influence it... it would be the OPEC cartel.

If oil companies could affect the price... they wouldn't have let it hang around $12-$25 a barrel for most of the late 80's and 90's.


Good points :

T Boone Pickens speaking on Bloomberg yesterday, said that 85 millions barrels per day are produced : 86.4 millions barrels are consumed per day.
Demand outstrips supplies = increase in prices.

As you correctly point out, increase in cost of living (petrol prices, food prices) coupled with the lack of money set aside to met these higher costs, does make for a perfect storm.

Are Americans any worse (better?) savers than other countries?
It would seem that nations like Britain have high levels of personal debt and little or no savings too.
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The increase in gas prices hasn't affected me one bit. Whenever I get gas I pump $15 worth.
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Good points :

T Boone Pickens speaking on Bloomberg yesterday, said that 85 millions barrels per day are produced : 86.4 millions barrels are consumed per day.
Demand outstrips supplies = increase in prices.

As you correctly point out, increase in cost of living (petrol prices, food prices) coupled with the lack of money set aside to met these higher costs, does make for a perfect storm.

Are Americans any worse (better?) savers than other countries?
It would seem that nations like Britain have high levels of personal debt and little or no savings too.



As I have stated before "it's all Barbie"s fault. The Barbie Doll raised the bar for women and the expectation of men.
Before the Barbie Doll young ladies played with dolls that required a play bottle and diapers but since Barbie requirments have escalated to Ferraris, beach houses, designer clothes and Ken. Besides having a great body she has many beautiful friends and no flaws.
Not being able to live up to these high standards individuals become frustrated and spend beyond their means.
Even though Barbie is in theory, popular, note that all her friends must be purchased for her at additional cost.
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