...but titanium is

A Muzi

>> -snip ti-
>> Hank wrote:
>>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
>>> bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.

> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Hmmm. So the Gulag is 'better'?

Hank wrote:
> What gulag?
> Half of it comes either from Australia or Canada. 20% comes from South
> Africa. Less than 10% comes from former Soviet republics, mainly the
> Ukraine. If you're buying wedding rings, it would be neither difficult
> nor unimportant to vet the source of the material.

Australia, Canada, South Africa, USA, Indonesia along with Russia supply
the bulk of gold. Slave states like Zimbabwe and Sudan extract
negligible amounts.

I was mistaken about Ti.

Rutile's almost entirely from Canada and South Africa. With other ores,
add in Australia for the preponderance of Ti. Small sources with
antipathy toward their citizens include Vietnam and Egypt but not
Zimbabwe or Sudan.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

John Thompson

On 2008-05-24, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:

> Hank wrote:
>
>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding bands,
>> because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.

> Where does titanium ore comes from?

Russia, mostly.

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

Tim McNamara

In article <slrng3h4ck.p6d.john@vector.os2.dhs.org>,
John Thompson <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:

> On 2008-05-24, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Hank wrote:
> >
> >> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
> >> bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.
>
> > Where does titanium ore comes from?
>
> Russia, mostly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium

According to Wikipedia:

Producer Thousands of tons % of total
Australia 1291.0 30.6
South Africa 850.0 20.1
Canada 767.0 18.2
Norway 382.9 9.1
Ukraine 357.0 8.5
Other countries 573.1 13.6
Total world 4221.0 100.1

andresmuro@aol.com

On May 24, 10:53 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> A bike may not be jewelry but titanium is -- several of my sports
> >> watches are titanium. So there. -- AJ
> andresm...@aol.com wrote:
> > My glass frames are made of titanium. I used to go through frames
> > every year. Now, I've had the same frame for 5 years. I bends and
> > twists, but won't brake. I also have a custom ti frame. Bought it for
> > $500. It doesn't rust, It doesn't get old, It doesn't break. Once A
> > year, I get sandpaper and sand it a little. It looks new again. Maybe,
> > in 1000 years, If I keep sanding it, It will dissolve into thin air.
>
> "won't brake" ?
> Marian has the same problem without titanium.

That's why I'm so fast ;-) Who is Marian?
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Mark

Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article <slrng3h4ck.p6d.john@vector.os2.dhs.org>,
> John Thompson <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2008-05-24, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Hank wrote:
>>>
>>>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
>>>> bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.
>>> Where does titanium ore comes from?
>> Russia, mostly.

I think that might be the wrong question. From the Wikipedia article
Tim cited below, we see

"About 95% of titanium ore extracted
from the Earth is destined for refinement
into titanium dioxide (TiO2), an intensely
white permanent pigment used in paints,
paper, toothpaste, and plastics."

So "most ore extracted" might not be related in any useful way to "most
metal produced" (as opposed to oxide/pigment production).

I think the right question to ask is "Where are the large producers of
titanium /metal/?" Again, the same article points out that turning Ti
ore into metal is not a trivial job.

-Mark

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium
>
> According to Wikipedia:
>
> Producer Thousands of tons % of total
> Australia 1291.0 30.6
> South Africa 850.0 20.1
> Canada 767.0 18.2
> Norway 382.9 9.1
> Ukraine 357.0 8.5
> Other countries 573.1 13.6
> Total world 4221.0 100.1

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On May 24, 10:51*am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> -snip ti-
> >> Hank wrote:
> >>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
> >>> bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.
> > A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> Hmmm. So the Gulag is 'better'?
> Hank wrote:
> > What gulag?
> > Half of it comes either from Australia or Canada. 20% comes from South
> > Africa. Less than 10% comes from former Soviet republics, mainly the
> > Ukraine. If you're buying wedding rings, it would be neither difficult
> > nor unimportant to vet the source of the material.
>
> Australia, Canada, South Africa, USA, Indonesia along with Russia supply
> the bulk of gold. Slave states like Zimbabwe and Sudan extract
> negligible amounts.
>
> I was mistaken about Ti.
>
> Rutile's almost entirely from Canada and South Africa. With other ores,
> add in Australia for the preponderance of Ti. Small sources with
> antipathy toward their citizens include Vietnam and Egypt but not
> Zimbabwe or Sudan.

If one wishes to boycott luxury items on ethical
grounds, gold seems like a less pressing target
than diamonds[*]. Or oil, for that matter.

Ben
[*] AFAICT, only a relatively small percentage of
diamonds are actual conflict diamonds. But they
all are tied up with De Beers's ruthless grip and
marketing strategy, which is close to reason enough
to choose something else.

Dan O

On May 23, 4:34 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A bike may not be jewelry but titanium is -- several of my sports
> watches are titanium. So there. -- AJ

My watch is a measuring tool, not jewelry.

Ben C

On 2008-05-24, Mark <mandmljNOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>> In article <slrng3h4ck.p6d.john@vector.os2.dhs.org>,
>> John Thompson <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-05-24, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
>>>>> bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.
>>>> Where does titanium ore comes from?
>>> Russia, mostly.
>
> I think that might be the wrong question. From the Wikipedia article
> Tim cited below, we see
>
> "About 95% of titanium ore extracted
> from the Earth is destined for refinement
> into titanium dioxide (TiO2), an intensely
> white permanent pigment used in paints,
> paper, toothpaste, and plastics."
>
> So "most ore extracted" might not be related in any useful way to "most
> metal produced" (as opposed to oxide/pigment production).
>
> I think the right question to ask is "Where are the large producers of
> titanium /metal/?" Again, the same article points out that turning Ti
> ore into metal is not a trivial job.

There is a story that Russia obtained mountains of the stuff during Cold
War times for making submarines out of. Having lost interest in that
it's now being hawked off to the rest of the world by shady characters
to make into bicycles.

Ben C

On 2008-05-25, Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
> On 2008-05-24, Mark <mandmljNOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> In article <slrng3h4ck.p6d.john@vector.os2.dhs.org>,
>>> John Thompson <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-05-24, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
>>>>>> bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.
>>>>> Where does titanium ore comes from?
>>>> Russia, mostly.
[...]
> There is a story that Russia obtained mountains of the stuff during Cold
> War times for making submarines out of. Having lost interest in that
> it's now being hawked off to the rest of the world by shady characters
> to make into bicycles.

This kind of thing:

http://tinyurl.com/5v8qpp

"This latest theft, said authorities is part of some 30 tonnes of
titanium that has disappeared from bulkheads on decommossioned subs
at Saida Bay over the past five years.

"The most recent loss of 14 tonnes was discovered during internal
checks of the derelict subs's titanium bulkheads, said a
representative of the Murmansk Regional Police in an interview with
Bellona Web. Earlier checks of exterior buikheads, carried out in
2003, revealed that 17 tonnes of titanium was missing. [...]"

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com

On May 24, 10:53*am, Hank <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> On May 24, 8:51 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> > -snip ti-
>
> > Hank wrote:
> > > A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding
> > > bands, because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.
>
> > Hmmm. So the Gulag is 'better'?
>
> What gulag?
>
> Half of it comes either from Australia or Canada. 20% comes from South
> Africa. Less than 10% comes from former Soviet republics, mainly the
> Ukraine. If you're buying wedding rings, it would be neither difficult
> nor unimportant to vet the source of the material.

Turn off the lights. If it glows, it's from the former USSR..gotta do
something with all those old titanium hulled submarines.

andresmuro@aol.com

On May 23, 11:40*pm, thefro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 23, 7:42 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > BrandyCyc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On May 23, 7:34 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >>A bike may not be jewelry but titanium is -- several of my sports
> > >>watches are titanium. So there. -- AJ
>
> > > My watches are all carbon fiber. *So there back.
>
> > > Pee Ess-- When I want to feel retro, I wear my steel watch. *It is
> > > much slower than my carbon ones.
>
> > That's odd, the one thing that peeves me about the stainless watch
> > that's on my wrist now is that it runs consistently fast, even after
> > having it serviced and adjusted.
>
> > Of course, 5 PM comes that much sooner every day
>
> > nate
>
> > --
> > replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>
> The truly successful wear watches, but pay no attention to them.
>
> tf- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not sure how successful my wife is, but she certainly acts like the
most successful of them all.

A Muzi

>> Hank wrote:
>>> A buddy of mine and his wife wear titanium rings as their wedding bands,
>>> because they wanted to boycott the African mining industry.

> nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>> Where does titanium ore comes from?

John Thompson wrote:
> Russia, mostly.

I was wrong about that too.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

John Thompson

On 2008-05-25, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> Dan O <danoverman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My watch is a measuring tool, not jewelry.

> A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is
> never sure.

A man with 3 watches can make an educated guess.

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)