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Old 23-05.-2008, 04:40 AM   #1
gus
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Default Is this real?

14:53 CEST
One of the riders who is now out of the race is Gerolsteiner's Andrea
Moletta. The team took him out after his father was stopped on his way
to the Giro by the Italian anti-doping investigators. He was in a car
with two other people, and they were found to have a lot of Viagra
with them – either 82 tablets or 82 packages, depending on which
source you read.

This is from Cycling news live commentary for stage 12

How can Viagra help you in a bike race?
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Old 23-05.-2008, 04:45 AM   #2
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On May 22, 2:40*pm, gus <steveandhe...@aol.com> wrote:
> 14:53 CEST
> One of the riders who is now out of the race is Gerolsteiner's Andrea
> Moletta. The team took him out after his father was stopped on his way
> to the Giro by the Italian anti-doping investigators. He was in a car
> with two other people, and they were found to have a lot of Viagra
> with them – either 82 tablets or 82 packages, depending on which
> source you read.
>
> This is from Cycling news live commentary for stage 12
>
> How can Viagra help you in a bike race?


If you win the race, you can impress the podium girls.

Andre
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Old 23-05.-2008, 05:39 AM   #3
derFahrer@gmail.com
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On May 22, 3:01 pm, Robert Chung
> Speaking of old guys, I see McCain is interviewing VP candidates. He
> should consider Michelle Malkin. They could get that Six O'Clock
> News / old white guy / young Asian woman dynamic.


Tricia Takanawa.
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Old 23-05.-2008, 06:21 AM   #4
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gus wrote:
> 14:53 CEST
> One of the riders who is now out of the race is Gerolsteiner's Andrea
> Moletta. The team took him out after his father was stopped on his way
> to the Giro by the Italian anti-doping investigators. He was in a car
> with two other people, and they were found to have a lot of Viagra
> with them – either 82 tablets or 82 packages, depending on which
> source you read.
>
> This is from Cycling news live commentary for stage 12
>
> How can Viagra help you in a bike race?


Pubmed link: http://tinyurl.com/543m2k

In summary, it appears that Viagra can improve VO2 and blood oxygenation
in acute hypoxic conditions. Although it does nothing in normoxic
conditions, and lung capacity is not the limiting factor in sport, it
would therefore not benefit cyclists in the least. That wouldn't stop
racers from taking it 'just in case'. However, it may provide a marginal
benefit in highly polluted Beijing and this is the time of year to test
it under race conditions, to establish whether it can be well tolerated
with no negative side effects.
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Old 23-05.-2008, 06:31 AM   #5
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On May 22, 1:21 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> However, it may provide a marginal
> benefit in highly polluted Beijing and this is the time of year to test
> it under race conditions, to establish whether it can be well tolerated
> with no negative side effects.


http://krisalis.org/weblog/?p=1483
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Old 23-05.-2008, 07:15 AM   #6
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Kyle Legate wrote:
>> However, it may provide a marginal
>> benefit in highly polluted Beijing and this is the time of year to test
>> it under race conditions, to establish whether it can be well tolerated
>> with no negative side effects.


Robert Chung wrote:
> http://krisalis.org/weblog/?p=1483


Reminds me of that old picture of LANCE Whatisname with Hein.

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Old 23-05.-2008, 07:51 AM   #7
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On May 22, 2:15 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
> >> However, it may provide a marginal
> >> benefit in highly polluted Beijing and this is the time of year to test
> >> it under race conditions, to establish whether it can be well tolerated
> >> with no negative side effects.


> Robert Chung wrote:
> >http://krisalis.org/weblog/?p=1483

>
> Reminds me of that old picture of LANCE Whatisname with Hein.


http://groups.google.com/group/rec....58752fc53c48e7?
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Old 23-05.-2008, 08:12 AM   #8
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On May 22, 2:40 pm, gus <steveandhe...@aol.com> wrote:
> 14:53 CEST
> One of the riders who is now out of the race is Gerolsteiner's Andrea
> Moletta. The team took him out after his father was stopped on his way
> to the Giro by the Italian anti-doping investigators. He was in a car
> with two other people, and they were found to have a lot of Viagra
> with them – either 82 tablets or 82 packages, depending on which
> source you read.
>
> This is from Cycling news live commentary for stage 12
>
> How can Viagra help you in a bike race?


Maybe it isn't for the cyclists. Maybe it's for the officials who are
hoping to bang the podium girls. You know those Italians' libidos are
notorious.

R
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Old 23-05.-2008, 10:23 AM   #9
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On May 22, 2:40*pm, gus <steveandhe...@aol.com> wrote:
> 14:53 CEST
> He was in a car with two other people, and they were found to have a lot of Viagra
> with them – either 82 tablets or 82 packages, depending on which
> source you read.


Probably works as well as Actovegin.

Also reports that they found a syringe hidden in a tube of toothpaste
and a cooler with as yet unidentified substances in it.
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Old 23-05.-2008, 03:33 PM   #10
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In article <ba7f3b1f-b75f-49a3-a1da-f577a1470498@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 22, 11:40 am, gus <steveandhe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > How can Viagra help you in a bike race?

>
> Haven't a clue. You'd have to ask Kunich.
>
> Speaking of old guys, I see McCain is interviewing VP candidates. He
> should consider Michelle Malkin. They could get that Six O'Clock
> News / old white guy / young Asian woman dynamic.


Worst. Cheerleader. Ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_YcQlYxyY

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Old 23-05.-2008, 04:00 PM   #11
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On May 22, 10:33 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <ba7f3b1f-b75f-49a3-a1da-f577a1470...@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 22, 11:40 am, gus <steveandhe...@aol.com> wrote:

>
> > > How can Viagra help you in a bike race?

>
> > Haven't a clue. You'd have to ask Kunich.

>
> > Speaking of old guys, I see McCain is interviewing VP candidates. He
> > should consider Michelle Malkin. They could get that Six O'Clock
> > News / old white guy / young Asian woman dynamic.

>
> Worst. Cheerleader. Ever.


What about this one?
http://www.jamd.com/image/g/1304839
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Old 23-05.-2008, 05:09 PM   #12
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In article <3028749e-abce-42e2-af0d-656171ddfce2@g16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 22, 10:33 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ba7f3b1f-b75f-49a3-a1da-f577a1470...@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> > Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 22, 11:40 am, gus <steveandhe...@aol.com> wrote:

> >
> > > > How can Viagra help you in a bike race?

> >
> > > Haven't a clue. You'd have to ask Kunich.

> >
> > > Speaking of old guys, I see McCain is interviewing VP candidates. He
> > > should consider Michelle Malkin. They could get that Six O'Clock
> > > News / old white guy / young Asian woman dynamic.

> >
> > Worst. Cheerleader. Ever.

>
> What about this one?
> http://www.jamd.com/image/g/1304839


Well, he may have been a not-so-terrible cheerleader, but that's just a guess that
goes seriously counter to everything else he's done.

23% !!!!!

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tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Old 24-05.-2008, 04:50 AM   #13
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> How can Viagra help you in a bike race?

It helps in adjustment to altitude. Viagra results in increased
synthesis of nitric oxide, which dilates the pulmonary arteries,
eliminates a phenomenon called hypoxic pulmonary vasoconstriction, and
increases ventilation-perfusion matching. In less technical terms,
sudden exposure to the lower levels of oxygen at altitude causes the
blood supply to the lungs to constrict. Viagra dilates these arteries,
and allows more blood flow to the lungs so that the oxygen and blood
mix more effectively. The drug was initially developed for this effect
and is used in critical care / cardiology for patients with pulmonary
hypertension. It's effects on penile vasodilation were initially
discovered as a side effect for Pfizer. Mountaineers use it for this
effect on the pulmonary circulation to combat altitude sickness. For
someone already trained at altitude (or sleeping in al altitude tent,
etc.) there would be no benefit. I can't quantify the benefit it would
provide otherwise in a trained cyclist, but I imagine it would be
fairly minimal to zero. Enough science, back to the pecker
jokes........................

Lou D'Amelio

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Old 24-05.-2008, 09:55 PM   #14
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I can't quantify the benefit it would
> provide otherwise in a trained cyclist, but I imagine it would be
> fairly minimal to zero.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez


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Old 25-05.-2008, 12:34 AM   #15
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On May 23, 2:50 pm, "Lou D'Amelio" <ldame...@patmedia.net> wrote:
> > How can Viagra help you in a bike race?

>
> It helps in adjustment to altitude. Viagra results in increased
> synthesis of nitric oxide, which dilates the pulmonary arteries,
> eliminates a phenomenon called hypoxic pulmonary vasoconstriction, and
> increases ventilation-perfusion matching. In less technical terms,
> sudden exposure to the lower levels of oxygen at altitude causes the
> blood supply to the lungs to constrict. Viagra dilates these arteries,
> and allows more blood flow to the lungs so that the oxygen and blood
> mix more effectively. The drug was initially developed for this effect
> and is used in critical care / cardiology for patients with pulmonary
> hypertension. It's effects on penile vasodilation were initially
> discovered as a side effect for Pfizer. Mountaineers use it for this
> effect on the pulmonary circulation to combat altitude sickness. For
> someone already trained at altitude (or sleeping in al altitude tent,
> etc.) there would be no benefit. I can't quantify the benefit it would
> provide otherwise in a trained cyclist, but I imagine it would be
> fairly minimal to zero. Enough science, back to the pecker
> jokes........................


That's just what we need - a bunch of guys in Lycra with hardons. I
guess it would make it easier to pick the dopers out of a line up.
"You, over there, pup tent, yeah you. Go visit the vampires."

R
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