Contador can ITT ?

Keith

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 21, 3:11*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
> can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
> anyone surpised ?




Dumbass -


Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
that race because of his lack of climbing skills.


thanks,

K. Grinigoni.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On May 21, 3:46 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 3:11 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
> > can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
> > anyone surpised ?
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
> around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
> young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.
>
> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
> Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
> could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
> a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
> that race because of his lack of climbing skills.

Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
(in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.

So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
it happened last year, not just in 2008.

Ben

Andre

On May 21, 6:46*pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 3:11*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
> > can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
> > anyone surpised ?
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
> around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
> young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.
>
> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
> Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
> could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
> a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
> that race because of his lack of climbing skills.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Grinigoni.

If there had been anyone else racing at Vuelta al País Vasco, Contador
would have finished 30th.

Howard Kveck

In article <b1267b96-b410-477d-b13e-53e80efa9e84@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On May 21, 3:46 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 21, 3:11 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
> > > can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
> > > anyone surpised ?
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
> > around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
> > young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.
> >
> > Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
> > Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
> > could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
> > a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
> > that race because of his lack of climbing skills.
>
> Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
> which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
> (in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.
>
> So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
> it happened last year, not just in 2008.

He's had decent results in ITTs ever since he started back in '03, though I will
note that it was usually in shorter ones back then.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 21, 5:31*pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On May 21, 3:46 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 3:11 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
> > > can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
> > > anyone surpised ?
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
> > around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
> > young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.
>
> > Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
> > Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
> > could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
> > a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
> > that race because of his lack of climbing skills.
>
> Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
> which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
> (in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.
>
> So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
> it happened last year, not just in 2008.
>
> Ben



Dumbass -


Errr . . . he was w/ Bruyneel last year too.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Carl Sundquist

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
> which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
> (in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.
>
> So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
> it happened last year, not just in 2008.
>
> Ben



Dumbass -


Errr . . . he was w/ Bruyneel last year too.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
-----------------

What does "Not just in 2008" mean?

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 21, 8:43*pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1b08dce5-d0ce-4f7e-be55-6d73cd5cfa83@g16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
> > which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
> > (in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.
>
> > So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
> > it happened last year, not just in 2008.
>
> > Ben
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Errr . . . he was w/ Bruyneel last year too.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
> -----------------
>
> What does "Not just in 2008" mean?




Dumbass -


I brain farted.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Donald Munro

Keith wrote:
>> Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
>> can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
>> anyone surpised ?

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
> around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
> young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.
>
> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
> al PaÃ*s Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could make the
> conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
> race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race because of
> his lack of climbing skills.

In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

Keith

>> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
>> al PaÃ*s Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could make the
>> conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
>> race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race because of
>> his lack of climbing skills.
>
>In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
>and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

True, that's probably the only reason I'm reserving judgement on
Contador until we get a flat ITT and we see how he does against
Kloden.

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Amit Ghosh

On May 22, 7:17 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:

> if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
> better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up.

dumbass,

that wouldn't be contador. he was beaten by rasmussen last year.

Bret

On May 21, 4:11*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
> can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
> anyone surpised ?

I said Contador could TT three years ago and had great potential. Some
monkey contradicted me at the time.

http://tinyurl.com/4jckje

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 22, 4:17*am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
> >> al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could makethe
> >> conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
> >> race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race becauseof
> >> his lack of climbing skills.
>
> >In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
> >and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities. *
>
> True, that's probably the only reason I'm reserving judgement on
> Contador until we get a flat ITT and we see how he does against
> Kloden.
>
> In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
> high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
> better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
> not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
> gets caught once and for all.




Dumbass -


You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Keith

>> In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
>> high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
>> better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
>> not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
>> gets caught once and for all.
>
>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>
>You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
>cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.
>
>Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
>Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

Numbnuts -
What changed with LA is that he trashed the competition EVERYWHERE,
ITT, Mountains for 7 YEARS and bonked only once (Joux Plane 2000),
champs like Merckx, Hinault or Fignon could only do that for one or
two years when they peaked.