Drillium Is Not Enough

Jay Beattie

On May 20, 7:06*pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>> From these pictures:
> >>>>http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...eus2000comp.htm
> >>>>http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
> >> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
> > John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> >> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
> >> FWIW, Zeus started in the bicycle business almost a decade earlier than
> >> Campagnolo.
> >> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>> it does look quite eye-catching though. *"beautiful" even.
> > John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> >> Some people even did it to their Campy cranks, since Campy wouldn't do
> >> it at the factory like Zeus did:
> >> *http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpeg
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > Ahem.
> >http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpg
> > Also, you need to machine out the reliefs in the crank arm and the
> > spider, and then check your medical insurance.
>
> Well, there's always someone whose bike "goes to eleven"http://www.campyonly.com/images/retrobikes/2003/italvega/vega2.jpg

Gadzooks! It even has the ever popular 13,13,13,13,14 freewheel. But
what is up with the clipless pedals! If you are going to ride the
retro circus bike, you have to get some Campy quill pedals and super
cool toe clips/straps. Benotto checkerboard celotape, too -- and a
cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
break even if you don't drill 'em.-- Jay Beattie.

A Muzi

>>>>>> From these pictures:
>>>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...eus2000comp.htm
>>>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
>>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
>>> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>>> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
>>>> FWIW, Zeus started in the bicycle business almost a decade earlier than
>>>> Campagnolo.
>>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>> it does look quite eye-catching though. "beautiful" even.
>>> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>>> Some people even did it to their Campy cranks, since Campy wouldn't do
>>>> it at the factory like Zeus did:
>>>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpeg
>> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>> Ahem.
>>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpg
>>> Also, you need to machine out the reliefs in the crank arm and the
>>> spider, and then check your medical insurance.

> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Well, there's always someone whose bike "goes to eleven"
http://www.campyonly.com/images/ret...lvega/vega2.jpg

Jay Beattie wrote:
> Gadzooks! It even has the ever popular 13,13,13,13,14 freewheel. But
> what is up with the clipless pedals! If you are going to ride the
> retro circus bike, you have to get some Campy quill pedals and super
> cool toe clips/straps. Benotto checkerboard celotape, too -- and a
> cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
> break even if you don't drill 'em.-- Jay Beattie.

Yep, Record Superleggeri pedals with A.L.E. chromed toeclips were on 'em
new [1]. That's Italvega's _factory_ mod too, not just the efforts of
some home drill whacko!

I saw a line of them, all sliced and pierced, at Ben Olken's Bi-Ex in
Boston and just froze, agape.

[1] this was well before aluminum toeclips. Or Benotto Celo Tape,
Italvegas had real Gaslo tape back then.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

jim beam

Jay Beattie wrote:
<snip for clarity>

> and a
> cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
> break even if you don't drill 'em.

unfortunately, that's the truth. i've only ever seen one of that
vintage crank uncracked at a swap meet - and that was n.i.b. everything
else, always cracked where the arm meets the spider. a couple of dozen
now, every single time.

Jay Beattie

On May 20, 8:55*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Jay Beattie wrote:
>
> <snip for clarity>
>
> > and a
> > cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
> > break even if you don't drill 'em.
>
> unfortunately, that's the truth. *i've only ever seen one of that
> vintage crank uncracked at a swap meet - and that was n.i.b. *everything
> else, always cracked where the arm meets the spider. *a couple of dozen
> now, every single time.

I broke four or so NR cranks. Jobst broke like a dozen. We shopped
at the same store -- Palo Alto bikes -- that had dozens of NR crank
arms on wall racks. You would just step up to the counter, hand the
shop guy the broken crank arm, and he would go to the wall and give
you the appropriate replacement. PAB did not have a 177.5 crank arm
when I went in one time in the '81 or 2 and believe it or not, I still
have a credit slip for $35. I could buy half a good tire. -- Jay
Beattie.

Jay Beattie

On May 20, 8:41*pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> From these pictures:
> >>>>>>http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...eus2000comp.htm
> >>>>>>http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
> >>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
> >>> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> >>>> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
> >>>> FWIW, Zeus started in the bicycle business almost a decade earlier than
> >>>> Campagnolo.
> >>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>> it does look quite eye-catching though. *"beautiful" even.
> >>> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> >>>> Some people even did it to their Campy cranks, since Campy wouldn't do
> >>>> it at the factory like Zeus did:
> >>>> *http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpeg
> >> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >>> Ahem.
> >>>http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpg
> >>> Also, you need to machine out the reliefs in the crank arm and the
> >>> spider, and then check your medical insurance.
> > *A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> Well, there's always someone whose bike "goes to eleven"
>
> http://www.campyonly.com/images/ret...lvega/vega2.jpg
>
> Jay Beattie wrote:
> > Gadzooks! *It even has the ever popular 13,13,13,13,14 freewheel. *But
> > what is up with the clipless pedals! *If you are going to ride the
> > retro circus bike, you have to get some Campy quill pedals and super
> > cool toe clips/straps. Benotto checkerboard celotape, too *-- and a
> > cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
> > break even if you don't drill 'em.-- Jay Beattie.
>
> Yep, Record Superleggeri pedals with A.L.E. chromed toeclips were on 'em
> new [1]. That's Italvega's _factory_ mod too, not just the efforts of
> some home drill whacko!
>
> I saw a line of them, all sliced and pierced, at Ben Olken's Bi-Ex in
> Boston and just froze, agape.
>
> [1] this was well before aluminum toeclips. Or Benotto Celo Tape,
> Italvegas had real Gaslo tape back then.

The first time I recall seeing an all Campy bike -- a Motobecane --
was in '69. Barry Wood, Phil's son, was going nuts about it. It
belonged to a music teacher subbing at our junior high. I could not
imagine being that excited about a modern bike. Back then, touching a
Campy side-pull was like a religious experience. -- Jay Beattie.

jim beam

Jay Beattie wrote:
> On May 20, 8:41�pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> From these pictures:
>>>>>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...eus2000comp.htm
>>>>>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
>>>>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
>>>>> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
>>>>>> FWIW, Zeus started in the bicycle business almost a decade earlier than
>>>>>> Campagnolo.
>>>>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> it does look quite eye-catching though. �"beautiful" even.
>>>>> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Some people even did it to their Campy cranks, since Campy wouldn't do
>>>>>> it at the factory like Zeus did:
>>>>>> �http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpeg
>>>> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>>>> Ahem.
>>>>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium.jpg
>>>>> Also, you need to machine out the reliefs in the crank arm and the
>>>>> spider, and then check your medical insurance.
>>> �A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Well, there's always someone whose bike "goes to eleven"
>> http://www.campyonly.com/images/ret...lvega/vega2.jpg
>>
>> Jay Beattie wrote:
>>> Gadzooks! �It even has the ever popular 13,13,13,13,14 freewheel. �But
>>> what is up with the clipless pedals! �If you are going to ride the
>>> retro circus bike, you have to get some Campy quill pedals and super
>>> cool toe clips/straps. Benotto checkerboard celotape, too �-- and a
>>> cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
>>> break even if you don't drill 'em.-- Jay Beattie.
>> Yep, Record Superleggeri pedals with A.L.E. chromed toeclips were on 'em
>> new [1]. That's Italvega's _factory_ mod too, not just the efforts of
>> some home drill whacko!
>>
>> I saw a line of them, all sliced and pierced, at Ben Olken's Bi-Ex in
>> Boston and just froze, agape.
>>
>> [1] this was well before aluminum toeclips. Or Benotto Celo Tape,
>> Italvegas had real Gaslo tape back then.
>
> The first time I recall seeing an all Campy bike -- a Motobecane --
> was in '69. Barry Wood, Phil's son, was going nuts about it. It
> belonged to a music teacher subbing at our junior high. I could not
> imagine being that excited about a modern bike. Back then, touching a
> Campy side-pull was like a religious experience. -- Jay Beattie.

suntour is what did it for me. superbe pro were the best looking
low-profile brake calipers ever imo. and their slotted shift levers.
and best of all, their slanted parallelogram derailleurs. match all
that with the fabulous new sedis sport chain, the first bushingless
design, and you had one sweet ride.

John Thompson

On 2008-05-21, Jay Beattie <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 7:06*pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, there's always someone whose bike "goes to eleven"http://www.campyonly.com/images/retrobikes/2003/italvega/vega2.jpg

> Gadzooks! It even has the ever popular 13,13,13,13,14 freewheel. But
> what is up with the clipless pedals! If you are going to ride the
> retro circus bike, you have to get some Campy quill pedals and super
> cool toe clips/straps.

Nah -- remember, you're a radical dude if you do this. Get the
ever-popular Cinelli M71 "Widowmaker" clipless pedals.

http://www.cambriabike.com/cinelli+parts.asp

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

John Thompson

On 2008-05-21, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

> Jay Beattie wrote:
><snip for clarity>
>
>> and a
>> cell phone so you can call for a ride when the crank breaks. They
>> break even if you don't drill 'em.

> unfortunately, that's the truth. i've only ever seen one of that
> vintage crank uncracked at a swap meet - and that was n.i.b. everything
> else, always cracked where the arm meets the spider. a couple of dozen
> now, every single time.

A minor surgical procedure on the crank can prevent this from occurring.
I've done it to my cranks; none have broken yet, including the drillium
one (although that one was retired due to excessively large chainrings).

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

John Thompson

On 2008-05-21, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

> John Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
>>
>>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
>>
>> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
>
> yes.

To be fair, the similarity was mostly cosmetic. Unlike Campy's
"Superleggero" pedals, the Zeus 2000 pedal used sealed bearings and had
a titanium cage. Campy used loose bearings and an aluminum cage, which
had a tendency to wear quickly, particularly if you didn't clean your
cleats often. The Zeus titanium cage was very durable.

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

still just me

On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:00 -0500, John Thompson
<john@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:

>On 2008-05-21, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> John Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
>>>
>>>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
>>>
>>> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
>>
>> yes.
>
>To be fair, the similarity was mostly cosmetic. Unlike Campy's
>"Superleggero" pedals, the Zeus 2000 pedal used sealed bearings and had
>a titanium cage. Campy used loose bearings and an aluminum cage, which
>had a tendency to wear quickly, particularly if you didn't clean your
>cleats often. The Zeus titanium cage was very durable.

While we're on the subject, anyone seen a drillium chainwheel break? I
see lots of broken cranks, drilled or undrilled, but I haven't noticed
many broken chainwheels. I realize there's less strain... but I am
still curious if they break.

Carl Sundquist

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b4g9349ai2qg3i6tbrg3epprm3taimrtb8@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:00 -0500, John Thompson
> <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-05-21, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sp...2000_cranks.htm
>>>>
>>>>> i love the "patent zeus" on blatant campy copies!
>>>>
>>>> I assume you mean the pedals, not the cranks?
>>>
>>> yes.
>>
>>To be fair, the similarity was mostly cosmetic. Unlike Campy's
>>"Superleggero" pedals, the Zeus 2000 pedal used sealed bearings and had
>>a titanium cage. Campy used loose bearings and an aluminum cage, which
>>had a tendency to wear quickly, particularly if you didn't clean your
>>cleats often. The Zeus titanium cage was very durable.
>
> While we're on the subject, anyone seen a drillium chainwheel break? I
> see lots of broken cranks, drilled or undrilled, but I haven't noticed
> many broken chainwheels. I realize there's less strain... but I am
> still curious if they break.

No, but I have seen a standard Mavic chainwheel bend, I don't mean flex, I
mean bend, into an acute angle from a standing track start.

carlfogel@comcast.net

On Thu, 22 May 2008 00:40:14 GMT, still just me
<wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

>While we're on the subject, anyone seen a drillium chainwheel break? I
>see lots of broken cranks, drilled or undrilled, but I haven't noticed
>many broken chainwheels. I realize there's less strain... but I am
>still curious if they break.

Dear SJM,

Now you've got me wondering.

I don't think that I've ever seen a front sprocket that failed (as
opposed to broken teeth), but that may just mean that I need to look
harder.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel