Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--No Surprise,Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers

Ed Pirrero

On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> Whatever.
>
> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> It's okay.

Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.

E.P.

Mike Vandeman

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> It's okay.
>
>Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.

YOU are the liar. Everything I said is true, and EASILY VERIFIABLE by
anyone who cares to check, which obviously doesn't include you.

>E.P.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Ed Pirrero

On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> It's okay.
>
> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> Everything I said is true...

A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
real truth - that you just plain made it up.

E.P.

Mike Vandeman

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> >> It's okay.
>>
>> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> Everything I said is true...
>
>A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
>authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
>discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
>real truth - that you just plain made it up.

Thanks for demonstrating that mountain bikers don't care about the
truth. You should do your own research, so you don't have to look like
the fool you are.

>E.P.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Ed Pirrero

On Jun 2, 7:52*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? *Or "real" as inactual
> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> >> *The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether ornot they
> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, *I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >> >Exactly. *More stuff you just made up. *I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. *You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> >> It's okay.
>
> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? *It's not OK. *The "fact"
> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >> >fabricated. *Lying is wrong, Mike. *You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> >> Everything I said is true...
>
> >A claim for which you provide no proof. *Prove that even one of those
> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
> >discussion. *Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>
> You should do your own research...

I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
any kind.

Remember, we're talking about the actual researchers, not the guy that
did the review article.

Which is why I used that term originally.

So prove it, Mike. Prove that any of those researchers owns a bike.

Or make something else up, or change the subject. Like you always do
when someone smarter than you calls you on your BS.

E.P.

Mike Vandeman

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 2, 7:52*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? *Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> *The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, *I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> >> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >> >> >Exactly. *More stuff you just made up. *I knew you'd never be able to
>> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. *You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> >> >> It's okay.
>>
>> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? *It's not OK. *The "fact"
>> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>> >> >fabricated. *Lying is wrong, Mike. *You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> >> Everything I said is true...
>>
>> >A claim for which you provide no proof. *Prove that even one of those
>> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
>> >discussion. *Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
>> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>>
>> You should do your own research...
>
>I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
>a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
>any kind.

But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
themselves. AND DID YOU? OF COURSE NOT, because you don't really waht
the truth.

>Remember, we're talking about the actual researchers, not the guy that
>did the review article.
>
>Which is why I used that term originally.
>
>So prove it, Mike. Prove that any of those researchers owns a bike.
>
>Or make something else up, or change the subject. Like you always do
>when someone smarter than you calls you on your BS.

But not smart enough to send an email?

>E.P.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Ed Pirrero

On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >> >> >> >> >option.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>
> >> >> >> >> Whatever.
>
> >> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
> >> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
> >> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>
> >> >> >> It's okay.
>
> >> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
> >> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
> >> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> >> >> Everything I said is true...
>
> >> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
> >> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
> >> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
> >> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>
> >> You should do your own research...
>
> >I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
> >a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
> >any kind.
>
> But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
> themselves. AND DID YOU?

Yes, I did.

Not one of them replied in the affirmative.

Checking up on your fabrications is trivial, Mike. Why bother making
stuff up that's so easily refuted?

E.P.

Mike Vandeman

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >> >> >> >> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >> >> >> >> >> >option.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>> >> >> >> >> >stuff you just made up.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Whatever.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
>> >> >> >> >provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
>> >> >> >> >you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.
>>
>> >> >> >> It's okay.
>>
>> >> >> >Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact"
>> >> >> >that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up,
>> >> >> >fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> >> >> Everything I said is true...
>>
>> >> >A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those
>> >> >authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the
>> >> >discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the
>> >> >real truth - that you just plain made it up.
>>
>> >> You should do your own research...
>>
>> >I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even
>> >a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of
>> >any kind.
>>
>> But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them
>> themselves. AND DID YOU?
>
>Yes, I did.
>
>Not one of them replied in the affirmative.

Now they aren't even being honest! I ugess they are gun-shy from
having their bad "research" exposed. Did you expect a mountain biker
to be HONEST?!!!

>Checking up on your fabrications is trivial, Mike. Why bother making
>stuff up that's so easily refuted?
>
>E.P.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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Ed Pirrero

On May 29, 6:44 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
> >The evidence has already been provided.
>
> BS. Unless you can provide some real evidence, you are just LYING
> again.

The part you trimmed addresses that.

E.P.