Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--No Surprise,Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers

Mike Vandeman

On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 29, 6:44 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 28, 6:01 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 26 May 2008 22:22:32 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On May 23, 11:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:55:54 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 22, 9:20 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Because they are destroying the environment...
>>
>> >> >> >> >No more than hikers, according to most real research.
>>
>> >> >> >> How would you know what "real research" is? LOL
>>
>> >> >> >Because I'm actually published, in real scientific journals.
>>
>> >> >> Then you are LYING. It's the only possible alternative.
>>
>> >> >As usual, you are wrong.
>>
>> >> "No more than hikers, according to most real research." As usual, you
>> >> provide zero evidence, proving that you are LYING.
>>
>> >The evidence has already been provided.
>>
>> BS. Unless you can provide some real evidence, you are just LYING
>> again.
>
>
>"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>scientific research?
>
>If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>occasions

You don't want to provide it because you know it's "cooked"
"research". The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
order to make mountain biking appear less harmful. That's obvious to
anyone who actually READS those "studies", as I have and you obviously
have NOT.

- pretend you know how to do a literature search, or even
>use Google. If you mean the former, just make it up, like you usually
>do.
>
>E.P.
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Enoch

On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
> >> >between trail users.
>
> >> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
> >> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>
> >How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
> >bothering you?
>
> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>
> > They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>
> >E.P.
>
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
a park or open space maintenance forum.

Ed Pirrero

On May 29, 10:50*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >"Real", as in supporting your position? *Or "real" as in actual
> >scientific research?
>
> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >occasions
>
> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.

Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
option.

Color me surprised.

E.P.

PatOConnell

Enoch wrote:
> On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>>>>> between trail users.
>>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>>> bothering you?
>> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>
>>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>>> E.P.
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
> backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
> a park or open space maintenance forum.

Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.

Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
there, except for himself apparently.

Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.

Enoch

On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Enoch wrote:
> > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
> >>>>> between trail users.
> >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
> >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
> >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
> >>> bothering you?
> >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
> >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>
> >>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
> >>> E.P.
> >> --
> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
> > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
> > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
> Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
> discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
> Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
> Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
> backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
> gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
> froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
> there, except for himself apparently.
>
> Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.

Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
filter folks out, thanks.

Enoch

On May 30, 12:01 pm, Enoch <chris.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Enoch wrote:
> > > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> > >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
> > >>>>> between trail users.
> > >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
> > >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
> > >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
> > >>> bothering you?
> > >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
> > >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>
> > >>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
> > >>> E.P.
> > >> --
> > >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> > >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> > >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> > >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> > >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> > > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
> > > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
> > > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
> > Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
> > discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
> > Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
> > Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
> > backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
> > gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
> > froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
> > there, except for himself apparently.
>
> > Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>
> Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
> where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
> opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
> filter folks out, thanks.

Ok, so I can't figure out how to filter users. It was worth a try,
thanks.

Ed Pirrero

On May 30, 12:25*pm, Enoch <chris.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 12:01 pm, Enoch <chris.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Enoch wrote:
> > > > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> > > >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
> > > >>>>> between trail users.
> > > >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
> > > >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
> > > >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? *And why arethey
> > > >>> bothering you?
> > > >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
> > > >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>
> > > >>> *They're just sitting there. *Walk around them.
> > > >>> E.P.
> > > >> --
> > > >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> > > >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> > > >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> > > >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> > > >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> > > > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
> > > > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
> > > > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
> > > Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
> > > discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
> > > Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
> > > Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
> > > backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
> > > gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
> > > froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
> > > there, except for himself apparently.
>
> > > Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>
> > Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. *A place
> > where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
> > opinions over others. *I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
> > filter folks out, thanks.
>
> Ok, so I can't figure out how to filter users. *It was worth a try,
> thanks.

Use you primary filter - when you see a thread or a poster that you
know will be filled with stuff you don't want to read, don't click on
it.

Simple. Solves problem. Doesn't require you to attempt to change the
behavior of anyone except yourself.

Everyone wins.

E.P.

PatOConnell

Enoch wrote:
> On May 30, 12:01 pm, Enoch <chris.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Enoch wrote:
>>>> On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>>>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>>>>>>>> between trail users.
>>>>>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>>>>>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>>>>>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>>>>>> bothering you?
>>>>> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>>>>> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>>>>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>>>>>> E.P.
>>>>> --
>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>> I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
>>>> backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
>>>> a park or open space maintenance forum.
>>> Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
>>> discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
>>> Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>>> Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
>>> backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
>>> gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
>>> froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
>>> there, except for himself apparently.
>>> Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>> Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
>> where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
>> opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
>> filter folks out, thanks.
>
> Ok, so I can't figure out how to filter users. It was worth a try,
> thanks.

Use a mail/Usenet reader like Thunderbird, that has Email and Usenet
filter features built in. There are others, that's just what I use
because I like the Firefox browser.

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:12:01 -0500, PatOConnell
<gypkap.figureitout@gmail.com> wrote:

>Enoch wrote:
>> On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>>
>>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>>>>>> between trail users.
>>>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>>>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>>>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>>>> bothering you?
>>> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>>> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>>
>>>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>>>> E.P.
>>> --
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
>> backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
>> a park or open space maintenance forum.
>
>Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
>discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
>Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>
>Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
>backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
>gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
>froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
>there, except for himself apparently.

#1 rule of the internet: Mountain bikers never tell the truth.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Enoch <chris.then@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On May 30, 11:12 am, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Enoch wrote:
>> > On May 20, 8:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On May 20, 5:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:03:53 -0700, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> I really hate these extremists that try to create artificial friction
>> >>>>> between trail users.
>> >>>> There is no friction "between users". It is between BIKES and other
>> >>>> trail users. The BIKES are the only problem.
>> >>> How did the bikes get out there without any riders? And why are they
>> >>> bothering you?
>> >> Because they are destroying the environment and aren't natural. I go
>> >> to parks to see nature, NOT large pieces of machinery like bikes.
>>
>> >>> They're just sitting there. Walk around them.
>> >>> E.P.
>> >> --
>> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> >>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> > I'm confused, I signed up for this forum to enjoy chatter about the
>> > backcountry, not trail user conflict and maintenance.. this belongs in
>> > a park or open space maintenance forum.
>>
>> Welcome to Usenet, and the "forums" are called newsgroups. This one
>> discusses lots of things about the backcountry, not just hiking.
>> Actually trail maintenance is on topic here.
>>
>> Mikey is a particularly single minded troll, hellbent on changing
>> backcountry from something people enjoy to a tree museum that no one
>> gets to pay a buck and a half just to see. MTBers particularly make him
>> froth, even if they behave themselves. He doesn't even want hikers out
>> there, except for himself apparently.
>>
>> Ignore him; learn how to put a filter on your newsreader.
>
>Maybe better to call it "argue group" instead of newsgroup. A place
>where everyone can fight to prove their superior knowledge and
>opinions over others. I'll comply with your orders and find a way to
>filter folks out, thanks.

Why not just put blinders on and put your fingers in your ears? It
would make as much sense. If yu don't want to learn anything new, you
are in the wrong place....
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 29, 10:50*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >"Real", as in supporting your position? *Or "real" as in actual
>> >scientific research?
>>
>> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >occasions
>>
>> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
>Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>option.

No, I just asked them. DUH!
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Ed Pirrero

On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >occasions
>
> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >option.
>
> No, I just asked them. DUH!

Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
stuff you just made up.

E.P.

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
>> >> >scientific research?
>>
>> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
>> >> >occasions
>>
>> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
>> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>>
>> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
>> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
>> >option.
>>
>> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
>Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
>stuff you just made up.

Whatever. Ask them yourself! I know you won't, because you don't want
to admit the truth.

>E.P.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Ed Pirrero

On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> >"Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual
> >> >> >scientific research?
>
> >> >> >If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous
> >> >> >occasions
>
> >> >> The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in
> >> >> order to make mountain biking appear less harmful.
>
> >> >Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they
> >> >actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up"
> >> >option.
>
> >> No, I just asked them. DUH!
>
> >Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of
> >stuff you just made up.
>
> Whatever.

Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to
provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because
you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny.

E.P.