Riding at night: a strategy for survival?

Jon Bendtsen

Gunner wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
>>>> wrote:

[cuuuuut]

> I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
> truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.
>
> Wouldnt that be correct? They spend far far more time on the road
> than anyone

Truckers dont die because they drive BIG trucks. They only harm
other people, no harm comes to them. Police cars are small cars
compared to trucks.



JonB

Rod Speed

Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen
>>>> <noone@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>>>>>> here)...
>>>>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even
>>>>>>>> bought a vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV
>>>>>>>> drivers chatting on the cell
>>>>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>>>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>>>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>>>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>>>>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>>>>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JonB
>>>>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>>>>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>>>>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.
>>>>
>>>> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.
>>>>
>>>> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
>>>> collisons?
>>>>
>>>> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back
>>>> window of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.
>>>
>>> Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal
>>> speed limit.
>>
>> Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
>> roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
>> of getting involved in a car accident.
>
>
> I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
> truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.

Nope, because they are inside vehicles which have a hell of a lot higher weight that
what they run into, and are way higher up than the poor sucker in the car is too.

> Wouldnt that be correct?

Nope.

> They spend far far more time on the road than anyone

But there is much more involved than just time on the road.

Rod Speed

Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:37:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>>>>> here)...
>>>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought
>>>>>>> a vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers
>>>>>>> chatting on the cell
>>>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See:
>>>>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>>>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>>>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JonB
>>>>>
>>>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>>>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.
>>>
>>> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
>>> collisons?
>>>
>>> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back
>>> window of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.
>>
>> Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

> So thats why they get hit from the rear.

They dont always get hit from the rear.

And those that do get hit when the car is stationary, are usually
OUTSIDE the car, in one of the most dangerous situations around,
in which they are in FAR more often than the average car driver is too.

> Fascinating

Pathetic, actually.

> Gunner, ex-leo

Just ex.

Bob Brock

On Sat, 3 May 2008 06:04:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:37:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>>>>>> here)...
>>>>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought
>>>>>>>> a vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers
>>>>>>>> chatting on the cell
>>>>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>>>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>>>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>>>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>>>>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>>>>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JonB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>>>>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.
>>>>
>>>> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
>>>> collisons?
>>>>
>>>> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back
>>>> window of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.
>>>
>>> Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.
>
>> So thats why they get hit from the rear.
>
>They dont always get hit from the rear.
>
>And those that do get hit when the car is stationary, are usually
>OUTSIDE the car, in one of the most dangerous situations around,
>in which they are in FAR more often than the average car driver is too.
>
>> Fascinating
>
>Pathetic, actually.
>
>> Gunner, ex-leo
>
>Just ex.

I wouldn't put too much stock in his ex-LEO claim.

Tom Sherman

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> [...]
>
> Truckers are the best (and perhaps only good) drivers in America. They
> undergo the training we all should be having.

That includes following at a distance of less than 10 feet at 70 mph?
Not slowing down when the fog limits visibility so much one can barely
see the overpasses when going under them?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Jon Bendtsen wrote:
> Gunner wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Gunner <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <noone@example.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>
> [cuuuuut]
>
>> I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
>> truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.
>>
>> Wouldnt that be correct? They spend far far more time on the road
>> than anyone
>
> Truckers dont die because they drive BIG trucks. They only harm
> other people, no harm comes to them. Police cars are small cars
> compared to trucks.
>
Truckers hardly ever park on the shoulder, and exit on the driver's side
to walk up to a car parked ahead of them, which is, of course, routine
behavior for a police traffic stop.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Gunner Asch

On Fri, 2 May 2008 10:50:49 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 2, 12:38*pm, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> >>>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>> >>>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>> >>>>>>> here)...
>> >>>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>> >>>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>> >>>>>>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>> >>>>>>> on the cell
>> >>>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>> >>>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>> >>>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>> >>>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>
>> >>>>>> See:
>> >>>>>> * * * *http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>> >>>>>> * * * *http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>> >>>>>> * * * *http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>
>> >>>>>> JonB
>> >>>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>> >>>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>> >>>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.
>>
>> >>> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.
>>
>> >>> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
>> >>> collisons?
>>
>> >>> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
>> >>> of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.
>>
>> >> Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.
>>
>> >Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
>> >roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
>> >of getting involved in a car accident.
>>
>> I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
>> truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.
>>
>> Wouldnt that be correct? * They spend far far more time on the road
>> than anyone
>>
>> Gunner- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Truckers are the best (and perhaps only good) drivers in America. They
>undergo the training we all should be having.


Heads up...Truckers get mostly OJT. On the Job Training. They undergo
a certification program to get their DLs....and thats just about all.

Here in California, there are a ton of truck driving schools, mostly
run by east Indians..often times Sihks. Those schools are designed
to teach one to pass the driving test for a Class 1.

Everything else comes with OJT.

Been there, done that. Got the Class 1 (with Hazmat indorsement)
though I dont drive big rigs anymore

I drive about 65,000 miles a year in my job as a self employed machine
tool repair tech (CNC lathes etc etc). Ive had a drivers license
since 1967. Most of my driving is Central. California down to the
Mexican border.

Ive had 2 moving violations in those 40 yrs. One for crossing over the
double yellow lines into the car pool lane (to avoid being sideswiped
by a buffoon on a cell phone, and the other for failure to stop at a
red light, when my brake lines exploded on a car Id not 30 minutes
before purchased. The previous owner had replaced the rusted out brake
lines with plain copper tubing. The mustang I T-boned in that
interection was the first and only motor vehicle accident Ive ever had
as well (knock on wood)

Ive drive 50,000 lbs of explosives over Whitehorse Pass, etc etc etc,
drilling rigs down Grocers Grade and so forth.

Nearly all OJT.


Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

ComandanteBanana

On May 2, 11:08*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > [...]
>
> > Truckers are the best (and perhaps only good) drivers in America. They
> > undergo the training we all should be having.
>
> That includes following at a distance of less than 10 feet at 70 mph?
> Not slowing down when the fog limits visibility so much one can barely
> see the overpasses when going under them?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Has it occurred to you that they want you out of the passing lane?
They are pretty much the only ones in America to observe something
close to lane discipline.

Cars do all the time in Europe too.