Athens Twighlight Crit Grid Qualifier question...

steevo

I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
definitely correct.

Kurgan Gringioni

On Apr 25, 9:51*pm, steevo <sgor...@vt.edu> wrote:
> I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
> powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
> whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
> between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
> readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
> side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
> Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
> 355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
> definitely correct.





You are a Fred.

derFahrer@gmail.com

> You are a Fred.

I'm guessing he's referring to doing the qualifier to get a start
position for the Athens Twilight crit. That would be anti-fredly.

Amit Ghosh

On Apr 26, 12:51 am, steevo <sgor...@vt.edu> wrote:
> I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
> powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
> whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
> between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
> readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
> side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
> Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
> 355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
> definitely correct.

you lost 38 watts between the hub and tire.

Kurgan Gringioni

On Apr 26, 5:55*am, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derFah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You are a Fred.
>
> I'm guessing he's referring to doing the qualifier to get a start
> position for the Athens Twilight crit. *That would be anti-fredly.



Dumbass -


Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Donald Munro

steevo wrote:
>> I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
>> powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
>> whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
>> between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
>> readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
>> side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
>> Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
>> 355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
>> definitely correct.

Amit Ghosh wrote:
> you lost 38 watts between the hub and tire.

Try riding with a 3.2kg wheel.

Donald Munro

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> You are a Fred.

Fredburger has copyrighted the Fred trademark. Please refer to him
as Fred(tm).

derFahrer@gmail.com

> Dumbass -
>
> Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.

ok, I will concede that point. Like today ... racing with some very
good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
as my grandfather's support hose.

.... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
of fredliness in my book.

joseph.santaniello@gmail.com

On Apr 26, 10:15*pm, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derFah...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.
>
> ok, I will concede that point. *Like today ... racing with some very
> good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
> as my grandfather's support hose.
>
> ... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
> of fredliness in my book.

I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
rain gear fit in?

Joseph

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On Apr 26, 2:45*pm, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
<joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 10:15*pm, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derFah...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.
>
> > ok, I will concede that point. *Like today ... racing with some very
> > good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
> > as my grandfather's support hose.
>
> > ... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
> > of fredliness in my book.
>
> I think somebody needs to come up with a comprehensive fredness rating
> system. I mean, how do things like helmet visors and baggy day-glow
> rain gear fit in?

It depends. Maybe there is a cycling activity that requires
helmet visors, or baggy day-glo vests, or Primal Wear jerseys.
I can't think of one, but maybe the people with those jerseys
know. The key point of fredliness is (in)appropriateness for
the task at hand. RBR explains it:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....fd0e321f4181faa

Ben
I am now and have always been a Fred.

Off The Back

steevo wrote:
>I just did the grid qualifier at athens twighlight, and I used my
> powertap so I could have the powerfile for my records. However, the
> whole time during the qualifier there was a 30-40 watt difference
> between my powertap (which was definitely zeroed) and the computrainer
> readout. When I was riding the qualifier, I noticed that there was a
> side to side rocking motion, more than I've ever felt on any trainer.
> Does anyone have any explanation for this? The recorded avg. watts was
> 355 for 8:16, but my powertap recorded 393. The powertap data was
> definitely correct.

Maybe it was rigged?

But seriously, this compu-trainer qualifying-heat concept is weird. Do any
other major races do this? It's kind of a flawed idea anyway... why is a 3
km stationary-bike TT is a good measure of who should get into the crit, or
where you should line up if you get in? Is it really just a side-show for
crowd entertainment?

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On Apr 26, 4:56*pm, "Off The Back" <marco_fenne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Maybe it was rigged?
>
> But seriously, this compu-trainer qualifying-heat concept is weird. Do any
> other major races do this? It's kind of a flawed idea anyway... why is a 3
> km stationary-bike TT is a good measure of who should get into the crit, or
> where you should line up if you get in? Is it really just a side-show for
> crowd entertainment?
>
> Mark http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

When I first read the post, I thought he was talking about
doing the course on a compu-trainer, the way you can
ride up Alpe d'Huez on a compu-trainer (as long as you
put a block under the front wheel).

Then I checked (yes, I occasionally fact-check my rbr posts)
and found it was a real qualifying heat. I don't really get it
either, but it's probably a good way to get some sponsorship
from Compu-trainer and entertain some spectators in a
perverse way. I want to see pictures of it on cyclingnews,
at least.

Here's my question for the OP: Do you have to pin on a
number for a Computrainer heat?

Ben

Kurgan Gringioni

On Apr 26, 3:45*pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:

>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec....fd0e321f4181faa




Dumbass -


Ahhh, the good old days.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Michael Press

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<b5ad1ea7-8630-468e-af9a-54e43dbc97ca@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
"derFahrer@gmail.com" <derFahrer@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Dumbass -
> >
> > Fredliness has nothing to do w/ ability.
>
> ok, I will concede that point. Like today ... racing with some very
> good riders who insist on wearing those socks that seems to go as high
> as my grandfather's support hose.
>
> ... but having the balls to line up at Athens does offset quite a lot
> of fredliness in my book.

Oh, dearie me. I am sure that I am putting out
50 watts more than the dumb-shit computer says.

--
Michael Press