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04-05.-2008, 12:55 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
the use of devices which quantify cycling are useful as a reference only.
true, if one has an odometer you may ride more miles, a hrm might record efoort and recovery parameters, and a pm will encourage seeking higher output...but, the be all and end all is to know your body and train intuitively. ultimately, it is the the raw talent will be soley relied on and be the limiting factor if this fundamental is ignored. this brings to mind where a maynard hershon character, in a non-fictional short story, judged the purchasing of pancake mix to be of more value than ti nipples. and so it is with any cycling equipment, you still gotta ride the thing, with respect to this intuition. Quote:
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04-05.-2008, 02:39 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
It's a shame that it's prom night (too many kids driving drunk) and I don't have a lighting system on the bike brighter than a thousand suns. It's a lovely night in NorCal and it'd be perfect for going out in the hills, although a taser would be good for fending off the mountain lions this time of year at night....
.... what was really funny today, apart from seeing that I'd lost 3lb this week, was riding the PowerCranks in fixed mode when going out for a ride with the family down the bike trail to the park. It suprised the sh*t outa me when I pushed down on one pedal and the other crank popped up the other side. My wife could figure out why I almost fell off my bike and started laughing.... Having my feet come off the pedals on the "upstroke" was bizzare. Then again, Adidas Samba shoes ain't meant for cycling in. |
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04-05.-2008, 03:34 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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There is plenty of evidence, the vast majority of scientific journal publications that measure the effect of a training technique or training device (yours included), utilise power as the metric on which results are determined. What more evidence could you ask for. If you do question that power as a metric contributes to the analysis of results, you should refrain from utilising it in any results that you publish, since it hasn't been proven yet. Frank, I can truly understand why there is such a negative attitude towards you and your product on these forums. Just in the quote above you have managed to firstly contradict yourself (previously you replied to me that HR and PE do not measure performance improvements, now you have brought them back into the argument) and secondly, you persist in stating that power is a "method of training". I'm not taking anything hard, I know what my results have been training with power and coaching with power (purely anecdotal), so I'm not about to throw away the power meter and install any other device in the search for improvement. |
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05-05.-2008, 02:33 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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05-05.-2008, 02:58 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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No no, I should thank you, for helping me understand that virtually the entire sports science community has chosen an outcome variable to measure for which there is no evidence (apart from classical physics) to support it. Must be that they are all blindly following each other's anecdotal stories. I truly hope that some of the learned folk that frequent this forum will see the error of their ways. |
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05-05.-2008, 04:00 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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05-05.-2008, 05:28 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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That's it. Bingo! i'm selling my collection of power meters.
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05-05.-2008, 05:49 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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  Crap, I have 5 already  |
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05-05.-2008, 06:34 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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I'll have one! Got a 2.4 on 28s? I'm planning on doing the Tour of Bright and reckon the 32km mountain climb needs a lighter PT than my current squeeze... As for the original post, why ask if there's evidence to support the use of power meters? If you want to use one, do so. If you want to just ride lots, do so. It's a free world. |
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05-05.-2008, 08:03 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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05-05.-2008, 11:59 AM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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You know Frank manufactures cranks with the SRM power meter installed, right? Just sayin'. |
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05-05.-2008, 12:00 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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You have one for uphill, downhill, flat, hot weather, cold weather and one for the trainer.... all calibrated for each specific 'condition'! |
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05-05.-2008, 12:46 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
Holy crap! 27 pages devoted to Franks trolling?
Unreal... Dave |
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05-05.-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
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Which makes this whole thread a very good reason not to trust the guy and his product. Gets the award for worst marketing exercise of the year. Wonder how many people on Cycling Forum who may have thought they were a good idea and have seen the light. I bet 20-30. Any other bids? |
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05-05.-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: What is the evidence that training with power is superior to . . .
.... or we could just read the endless number of threads about people who have problems with their powermeters.
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