VIDEO: Find out Today that the Holocaust is a Huge Fraud

Igor

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:42:13 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:

> "Kimi Fan" <kimisbest@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:06899161-4f2b-4f89-85c0-93346d3c599c@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 25, 8:24 pm, St Georges Day April 23rd
>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at the Holocaust and
>>> WWII
>>>
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...774203343&hl=en
>>>
>>> How much of what we know about the holocaust is based on cruel wartime
>>> propaganda? This fascinating documentary investigates the myths
>>> surrounding the legend.
>>>
>>> www.ihr.org
>>
>> There is nothing new, or interesting, about denying the holocaust.
>> Idiots like this have been denying it for years and it is infact a
>> crime to do so in many countries you stupid bigot.
>>
>> I hope you rot in Hell after your prison sentence. Ive reported you to
>> google and I suggest others do too.
>
> I myself find it interesting that some try to deny the Holocaust, when even
> those most directly involved in it did not/do not. Many at Nuremburg bragged
> about how and how many they killed, many more admitted to it and said "I was
> following orders."

Saying it didn't happen wasn't an option for the defendants at that trial.
It was already assumed by the court that the exterminations had taken
place.

If you really want to go deeper into this (and most people don't), read
Arthur Butz's "Hoax of the 20th Century."

Germany is one of those countries wherein it is illegal
> to deny the Holocaust. Why would they make this the case if they had not
> actually been involved in it?

This argument doesn't make any sense. If the Church burns people at the
stake for claiming that the earth orbits the sun, does that somehow prove
that the sun orbits the earth?

The fact that people who "deny" the holocaust get thrown in jail convinces
me more than anything that the holocaust is a load of baloney. If one has
truth on his side, he doesn't need to throw people in jail, get them fired
from their jobs, conduct smear campaigns against them, or try to censor
their books and websites.
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Igor

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:44:48 -0700 (PDT), Kimi Fan wrote:

> On Apr 26, 2:59 pm, emuLOAD <AndreaSassane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 26 Apr, 01:42, "Brenda Ann" <bren...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Kimi Fan" <kimisb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> I myself find it interesting that some try to deny the Holocaust, when even
>>> those most directly involved in it did not/do not. Many at Nuremburg bragged
>>> about how and how many they killed, many more admitted to it and said "I was
>>> following orders." Germany is one of those countries wherein it is illegal
>>> to deny the Holocaust. Why would they make this the case if they had not
>>> actually been involved in it?
>>
>> Well, more than interesting, I'd say it's to say the least expected.
>> It isn't really a matter of wether it happened or not, not even for
>> those keen on denying it. Looking at the documentary (which I ahd
>> already seen quite a while back) it seems clear that the "creators"
>> had some form of agenda of their own. They probably even said some
>> true things, at that. The fact is it really doesn't matter wether it
>> has happened or not. For hsitory, it's a simple fact. It is also a
>> fact that history is ALWAYS "written" by the winning party. This does
>> not necesarely mean that history is doctored, however it is likelly
>> that some things are told in a way to favour the winning forces, it's
>> a natural progression of history and humanity. Clearly, had the Nazi
>> won, there is a good chance we'd all now be here being gratefull that
>> the legendary Fuhrer eradicated the Jewish pest.
>>
>> The more interesting thing is instead the presence of laws banning
>> denyial. That's a fairly bad practice, as it's in the end just, if
>> silly, an opinion. This again conncts to the concept of history being
>> mastered by the winners. Documentaries like the one linked by the
>> opening post are interesting, in the same way UFO docs and the like
>> are. Looking at the "unofficial" spin on things can be interesting,
>> and at times can help get a wider look at a situation. Doesn't make it
>> true, though.
>>
>> Now, did the Holocaust happen? Well, we've always been told it has
>> (I'm 20, wasn't there -and I'm glad of that-) so why should we
>> question it? there is evidence, and witnesses. All the eveidence could
>> have been faked, and perpetrators and witnesses coerced in their
>> confessions/witnesses, BUT that seems like quite a titanic effort...
>> at that point we could also claim that WWII never happened, and that
>> all evidence is manufactured. In the end, for a person like me, who is
>> just 20 and hasn't lived even remotly the horrors of WWII wether it
>> did happen (not only the Holocaust, but the war as a whole) is not the
>> most important thing. for as hard as I can try, I have no true felt
>> feeling for that period, as I lost nobody I knew in it nor did I
>> suffer any pain, so for me it has never happened (in the sense that
>> having not lived it, it has a feeling comparable to an event told in a
>> novel to me). What is vital nowadays is that the knowledge of what has
>> happened (or what is said to have happened) is metabolised in
>> something useful, such as the repulsion for war and other such events.
>> Wether the holocaust happened or not, it is unclaimable that an event
>> like it is an acceptable thing in any case, era or situation. If that
>> is understood, it is good. If people (even only one) can beleave that
>> it has been (or could be) a good solution to something, then wether it
>> already happened or not looses even more importance, as a new
>> occourrence of it would overshadow any past one.
>>
>> Sometimes too much effort is spent in being sorry for the past, and
>> not enough is done to avoid falling in the same pitfalls again, and
>> that is truly horrible. A few people going around making documentaries
>> regarding the never-occourance of the Holocaust are nothing compared
>> to that.
>>
>> This all said, it was definitely a post (the op, and perhaps mine too)
>> which would have found better housing elsewhere. Anyhow, I posted this
>> anyways as the thread has already been bumped out of spam bin for many
>> users, and anyone who has the unfortunate habit of blocking all google
>> groups posters won't be bothered by this either.
>>
>> PS: since it seems from previous psots I've made that my rushed
>> writing seems to leave my writing too open to interpretation I'll make
>> one point clear: I am convinced that the Holocaust in fact did take
>> place, and do not agree with the negationist's views.
>
>
> It's because people are so gullible.
>

Yes, they are very gullible to believe that 3+ million Jews could've been
gassed to death in the span of three years without leaving a trace of
physical evidence behind.

> The only groups I know about that indulge in Holocaust denial are:
> Islamic extremists, white supremacy and Hamas. No sensible person
> could have any reason to deny it and so there is no legitimate reason
> to really discuss it. Irrespective of the points they raise, they are
> really not worth discussing IMHO.
>

You don't want to discuss their points because you are unable to refute
them. If you were able to refute them, you wouldn't hesitate to discuss
them, especially when you know that refusing to discuss them makes you look
like a liar.

> For some reason it is very easy to hijack the Holocaust, and Nazism,
> for a group's own political gain. That might be because of the emotion
> that these events naturally invoke. Some Scientologists call
> Psychology a Nazi pseudo-science and go to great lengths to
> demonstrate that it was Psychologists that thought up and executed the
> Holocaust. Others like to watch Max Mosley's video and accuse him of
> being Nazi because he likes S&M, and he is Oswald Mosley's son. At the
> end of the day, these Holocaust deniers, some wacky Scientologists and
> Max Mosley haters are all really no different. They jump on a
> bandwagon and try to steer it in a particular direction to suit their
> own outcomes.
>

And what about Jews themselves? Do you think there might be an agenda
behind their tireless promotion of the holocaust? Do you think there might
be an "agenda" behind the French President's plan to force young
schoolchildren to pretend they are concentration camp inmates? Do you think
there might be an agenda behind equating every white person who wants to
see immigration reform with an evil Nazi who wants to kill six million
Jews?

It wasn't revisionists, or Palestinians, or Scientologists, who politicized
the holocaust. Pick up any general encyclopedia from say, 1961, and you'll
see that no one really gave a rat's ass about the holocaust until Jews in
the publishing and entertainment industries started saturating the public's
mind with it in the late 60's/early 70's.

> Holocaust deniers would have to be the most dangerous and deserve to
> be shut down from saying whatever they like. Free speech should only
> be for people that know how to reason sensibly.

Oh yeah? And who gets to decide that? You? The Simon Weisenthal Center?

The only reason folks like you would like to shut up folks like me is
because you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag. You have no case.
All you can do is try to silence the opposition.
--
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Just zis Guy, you know?

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:38:11 -0700, Igor <nobody@somewhere.com> said
in <192ptlf18dc5w$.1dpiod4k9sl2$.dlg@40tude.net>:

>How about some autopsy reports showing death by poison gas? There aren't
>any.

What part of "cremation" were you having trouble understanding?

Guy
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Just zis Guy, you know?

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:53:01 -0700, Igor <nobody@somewhere.com> said
in <1x3n0ja6j1su6.zenmtl0srz62$.dlg@40tude.net>:

>I see you're a real defender of free speech there, Kimi Fan. Maybe someday
>the U.S. will stop being so backwards and just tear up its constitution and
>send thought criminals who question the Chosen People's version of history
>to prison, just like the progressive, enlightened folks in Europe do.

Absolutely. And rightly so: bigotry should not be protected speech.

The most interesting thing, though, is that everybody who questions
the holocaust always turns out to be a raving anti-semite. I wonder
why it is that nice, sane people never come to the same conclusion
as the holocaust deniers.

Guy
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Mark T

Igor writtificated

> Read any conventional history of the holocaust with a skeptical
> mind and you will be amazed at how flimsy the evidence really is.

If you really want to read a history that's a crock of shite, have a look
at some of the denial stuff. Misrepresentation, misinterpretation of
sources, discarding of problematic testimony, credulous acceptance of
sources that back up their theory, the odd lie and made up source.

But yeah, I was mildly surprised that much of the paperwork on the
holocaust was missing. The killers had destroyed much of it. It almost
looks like they were ashamed of what they'd done...

Telamon

In article <Xns9A8CC39BFCD0Dwibbled@130.133.1.4>,
Mark T
<pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Igor writtificated
>
> > Read any conventional history of the holocaust with a skeptical
> > mind and you will be amazed at how flimsy the evidence really is.
>
> If you really want to read a history that's a crock of shite, have a look
> at some of the denial stuff. Misrepresentation, misinterpretation of
> sources, discarding of problematic testimony, credulous acceptance of
> sources that back up their theory, the odd lie and made up source.
>
> But yeah, I was mildly surprised that much of the paperwork on the
> holocaust was missing. The killers had destroyed much of it. It almost
> looks like they were ashamed of what they'd done...

This is off topic in RRS.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Igor

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:59:41 -0700 (PDT), emuLOAD wrote:

<snip>

>
> The more interesting thing is instead the presence of laws banning
> denyial. That's a fairly bad practice, as it's in the end just, if
> silly, an opinion. This again conncts to the concept of history being
> mastered by the winners. Documentaries like the one linked by the
> opening post are interesting, in the same way UFO docs and the like
> are. Looking at the "unofficial" spin on things can be interesting,
> and at times can help get a wider look at a situation. Doesn't make it
> true, though.
>
> Now, did the Holocaust happen? Well, we've always been told it has
> (I'm 20, wasn't there -and I'm glad of that-) so why should we
> question it? there is evidence, and witnesses. All the eveidence could
> have been faked, and perpetrators and witnesses coerced in their
> confessions/witnesses, BUT that seems like quite a titanic effort...
> at that point we could also claim that WWII never happened, and that
> all evidence is manufactured. <snip>

The thing is, you don't have to suppose any kind of a giant X-Files-like
conspiracy to entertain doubts about the holocaust. The people who created
the holocaust myth were actually very sloppy. They left loose ends all over
the place. Read any conventional history of the holocaust with a skeptical
mind and you will be amazed at how flimsy the evidence really is.

The irony is that if they had just stuck to claiming that a quarter of a
million Jews were worked to death in the concentration camps, no one could
have ever proved them wrong. But somehow a quarter of a million people
dying of semi-natural causes in the context of a war that killed over 60
million people doesn't elicit quite as much sympathy as saying half of
Europe's Jewish population was gassed en masse.

Personally, I believe the holocaust myth was in large part created by the
Soviets in order to distract the world's attention from their own
wrongdoings, which were far worse than anything the Nazis are even alleged
to have done. At the Nuremberg Trials, the Soviets even tried to pin the
Katyn massacre, which they had perpetrated themselves, on the Germans.
Every once in a while in Eastern Europe, they'll dig up a mass grave and
claim that these were holocaust victims, though it is far more likely that
these were the victims of the Soviet secret police.

--
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Paul-B

Igor wrote:

>
> Personally, I believe the holocaust myth was in large part created by
> the Soviets in order to distract the world's attention from their own
> wrongdoings,

Tell that to my father, who saw it with his own eyes.

Where were you in 1945?
--
Paul-B