Bolivia's 'Death Road' claims life of U.S. mountain biker

Siskuwihane

On Apr 27, 1:27*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
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> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 26, 9:53*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 26, 8:09*am, "Ronnie Guthrie" <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
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> >> >> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
> >> >> > <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
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> >> >> >>> > Evolution at work:
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> >> >> >>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
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> >> >> >>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
> >> >> >>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
> >> >> >>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
> >> >> >>> > Monday.
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> >> >> >>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
> >> >> >>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
> >> >> >>> > meters).
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> >> >> >>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
> >> >> >>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>
> >> >> >>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
> >> >> >>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
> >> >> >>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>
> >> >> >>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
> >> >> >>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
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> >> >> >>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking..
>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >> >> >>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
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> >> >> >>Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
> >> >> >>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
> >> >> >>their deaths here too.
>
> >> >> > So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothingto
> >> >> > do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>
> >> >> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
> >> >> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles? *Would you have
> >> >> been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
> >> >> hiking?
> >> >> Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for everyone
> >> >> to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.
>
> >> >The only time Mike gets outdoors is when he's walking from long-term
> >> >parking to the terminal.
>
> >> We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
> >> familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
> >> you work for an airline. DUH!
>
> >Stop lying Michael, I do not work for an airline. Once again you have
> >to lie.
>
> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

Stop lying Michael J. Vandeman. You were too lazy to follow your own
advice and do your own research.
Now you lie and say I work for an airline. Your credibilty is as dead
as your cat that you let die.

maguahiker@gmail.com

You obviously haven't a clue what a mountain road is in south america
you asshole! Take a flyover some time Mr friendly skies!

maguahiker@gmail.com

On Apr 26, 9:54*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:31:54 GMT, rhopk...@loainc.com wrote:
> >So if I ride my mt. bike on Sonora Pass in the Sierra (a motor vechicle
> >route just as the Boliva Highway is, which btw it is a major route for
> >vehicular trafic in that country) and die than I died mt. biking.
>
> Yes, and the sooner, the better.

So Mike wishes hard upon another cycist yet will later claim he has
never done so as he has claimed in the past he hasn't nor would.
Another false statement.

>>We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
you work for an airline. DUH!

What the hell Mike. "WE PSYCHOLOGIST"...you are now stating you are a
psychologist? I suppose you wrote a book on that also. you aren't a
psychologist you freak...you have a degree in dietary services
basically.

so let's put your real studies to test! How many cups of sugar do I
use in this apple pie I am making?

maguahiker@gmail.com

>You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
?He rode off-road! DUH!

Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.

marika

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>
> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or telling
the truth on usenet.

"It must be true I heard it on the internet"

mk5000

Haley James: Remembering what?
Nathan Scott: Your hair. You wore it that way the first day you tutored me.
Haley James: You remember how I wore my hair the first day I tutored you?
Nathan Scott: Of course.
Haley James: What else do you remember?
Nathan Scott: I remember the ugly-ass poncho that you wore. --One Tree Hill

Tom Sherman

marika wrote:
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> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:7l381494i6njtln3dfovh37g1pm2279pnt@4ax.com...
>
>
>>
>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>
> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
> telling the truth on usenet.
>
It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Siskuwihane

On Apr 27, 12:34*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> marika wrote:
>
> > "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >news:7l381494i6njtln3dfovh37g1pm2279pnt@4ax.com...
>
> >> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>
> > when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
> > telling the truth on usenet.
>
> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.


Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

Jeff Strickland

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fv29ve$cqi$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> marika wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:7l381494i6njtln3dfovh37g1pm2279pnt@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>>
>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
>> telling the truth on usenet.
>>
> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock puppet
> becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.
>
> --


Mike uses his real name, and still lies. Can we toss him out for new one?

Tom Sherman

Siskuwihane wrote:
> On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> marika wrote:
>>
>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7l381494i6njtln3dfovh37g1pm2279pnt@4ax.com...
>>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
>>> telling the truth on usenet.
>> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
>> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.
>
>
> Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Siskuwihane

On Apr 27, 3:22*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Mike Vandeman blathered:
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> > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
> > <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:cic614h4e7n0ibl7fei8ui9gsdkbj6hc2e@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
> >>> <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
> >>>>> <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>
> >>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
> >>>>>>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
> >>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
> >>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
> >>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
> >>>>>>>> Monday.
> >>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
> >>>>>>>> meters).
> >>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
> >>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
> >>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
> >>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
> >>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
> >>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>
> >>>>>> Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
> >>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
> >>>>>> their deaths here too.
> >>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
> >>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
> >>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
> >>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
> >>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
> >> I think not. *Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. *He was riding ona "road"
> >> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)
>
> > You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
> > He rode off-road! DUH!
>
> No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road. Whether
> or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
> the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
> deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
> kill himself.
>
> What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

The report I read said

"On Monday, Kenneth Mitchell, 56, of Fullerton, California, died when
he tumbled from his bicycle and fell over a cliff along the highway."

That would make him a hiker since he wasn't on his bike at the time of
going over the cliff.

Another cyclist was killed (same article) on the paved section on
Thursday, so much for the health benefits of road biking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24311931/

Siskuwihane

On Apr 27, 8:28*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Siskuwihane wrote:
> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> marika wrote:
>
> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:7l381494i6njtln3dfovh37g1pm2279pnt@4ax.com...
> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.
>
> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.
>
> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
real name on their account.

maguahiker@gmail.com

>
> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.
>

It's a narcissistic thing with Mike. He likes seeing the name up there
whether for fiction or non-fiction...he loves the attention. the full
focus on him whether it be his multiple errors he makes or foolish
statements of truths and non-truths. Everything just mends together
anymore with his posts. So many self claims made by him with nothing
to back it up. and if you come forward and post your own name...he
will try and say you are still lying so no matter how you go with him,
he's a attention whore. As long as he can stir the focus back to him
somehow.

Mike Vandeman

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:22:57 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman blathered:
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>> <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cic614h4e7n0ibl7fei8ui9gsdkbj6hc2e@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>>>> <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>>>>>> <bpnjensen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>>>>>> meters).
>>>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>>>>> their deaths here too.
>>>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>>>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>>>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>>>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
>>> I think not. Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. He was riding on a "road"
>>> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)
>>
>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>> He rode off-road! DUH!
>
>No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road.

So you admit that he rode the boke off of the road. QED

Whether
>or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
>the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
>deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
>kill himself.
>
>What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

Your stupidity sets a new record! You just admitted that he rode his
boke off of the road. DUH!
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Mike Vandeman

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>>You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>?He rode off-road! DUH!
>
>Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
>for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
>an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.

That has nothing to do with the fact that he rode the bike off of the
road.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande