VELORUTION! (bike revolution)

Tom Sherman

Zoot Katz wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:35:29 -0500, Harry Brogan
> <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
>
>>> How homicidal was the Old West? According to the best historical
>>> evidence today, the answer is: Extremely Homicidal. Thus, another bit
>>> of academic folklore bites the dust.
>>> ======================================================
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> KUDOS to you on your research. However, will that stand up to ALL of
>> the "old west". Starting at about the Mississippi river and
>> continuing westward. It would seem that the information you have
>> provided is all California and does not include other states.
>
> I'd like to know if that historic data includes the genocide of the
> native American people.

butbutbut, that was only about 98-99% of the pre-European arrival
population. Himmler must have been jealous of the effectiveness.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Bob Hunt wrote:
> Had you left Jesus out of it and stopped after saying-
>> Hey, I speak in parables (like Jesus), but I don’t have a clue
> I doubt many here would disagree.
>
LOL!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Zoot Katz

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:00:59 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Zoot Katz wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:35:29 -0500, Harry Brogan
>> <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
>>
>>>> How homicidal was the Old West? According to the best historical
>>>> evidence today, the answer is: Extremely Homicidal. Thus, another bit
>>>> of academic folklore bites the dust.
>>>> ======================================================
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> KUDOS to you on your research. However, will that stand up to ALL of
>>> the "old west". Starting at about the Mississippi river and
>>> continuing westward. It would seem that the information you have
>>> provided is all California and does not include other states.
>>
>> I'd like to know if that historic data includes the genocide of the
>> native American people.
>
>butbutbut, that was only about 98-99% of the pre-European arrival
>population. Himmler must have been jealous of the effectiveness.

The next cull is coming.

Don't starve. . . or, for that matter, get a vaccination.
--
zk

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 5:53*pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>
> > I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
> > something with a finger or a gun are two different things.
>
> > The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
> > threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
> > while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
> > fear. Particularly the cyclists.
>
> > And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...
>
> Florida gives you an option to deal with this:http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

That's the only option left... In the jungle, if everybody got paws
and teeth, you better get ready yourself.

Only that it's kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a
lycra short. But then you can wear a T-shirt like this...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote195...283217745636359

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 7:16 pm, Zoot Katz <zootk...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:35:29 -0500, Harry Brogan
>
> <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
> >>How homicidal was the Old West? According to the best historical
> >>evidence today, the answer is: Extremely Homicidal. Thus, another bit
> >>of academic folklore bites the dust.
> >>======================================================
>
> >>- Frank Krygowski
>
> >KUDOS to you on your research. However, will that stand up to ALL of
> >the "old west". Starting at about the Mississippi river and
> >continuing westward. It would seem that the information you have
> >provided is all California and does not include other states.
>
> I'd like to know if that historic data includes the genocide of the
> native American people.
> Or maybe it was a "war" so civilian casualties don't count.
> --
> zk

Indians --like cyclists-- count for little in the West. They must be
happy with whatever space is left for them. Usually barren land, the
equivalent of the gutters the cyclists get today.

Pat

On Apr 20, 6:49*pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
> dangerous.

Like usual, you are grossly exagerating. Not "everyone" is armed and
dangerous. Me -- for instance -- I am not usually armed and
dangerous. Even when armed, I'm not dangerous to you.

Nowadays the good-ol'-fashioned finger is not enough. Some
> carry a gun, and some simply use their vehicles as the weapon. What's
> a cyclist to do in such a jungle? I'm going to write a book, "Monkey
> survival skills for the cyclist." First advice...
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote195...149274811492050
>
> Road rage runs rampant
> on Bay Area highways
>
> ...
>
> For whatever reason, one's genitalia grow exponentially while moving
> at 40 mph in a steel and aluminum cage. Being at the helm of a 2-ton
> machine makes people feel powerful, I would assume, leading to extreme
> reactions from otherwise rational people.
>
> Unfortunately, those extreme reactions are becoming more deadly.
>
> As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, a man driving on
> Interstate Highway 280 was shot from a passing car. The man who died,
> Luis Solari, died in front of his kids in the car. His offense: He cut
> someone off.
>
> The worst part is that this wasn't the first on Bay Area freeways this
> month.
>
> A woman was shot and killed April 3 on Interstate Highway 80 near
> Pinole, and a man was shot along the same stretch of freeway April 1.
> An arrest has been made in the former incident.
>
> A gun is unnecessary, and says a lot about violence in our society.
> Few problems, especially ones relating to cars, have ever been solved
> by use of a gun. Words, even hand gestures, are better answers to the
> whole problem. No one gets hurt with any of those.
>
> Even fisticuffs are better. Bruises go away over time.
>
> But expressing one's disgust at other people's driving by shooting a
> gun at them is revealing because it's solving the problem of anger
> with violence. Those who could angrily waive guns at you from passing
> automobiles and potentially use them, may be showing their small
> children in the back seats how not to act.
>
> Until this point, the worst I got for cutting someone off was the
> finger, not a bullet in the chest.
>
> http://media.www.thespartandaily.co...er852/news/2008...

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 11:24*am, "Jeremy Parker" <JeremyPar...@compuserve.com>
wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >> Goodness gracious. All this is very un-British. I live, and ride
> >> my
> >> bicycle in London, which seems to be the far-away land that you
> >> are
> >> talking about. London's a pretty good city to ride a bicycle in,
> >> no
> >> need for new laws or conventions.
> >Oh, c'mon. The article was written by a Briton about Great Britain.
>
> As, indeed, was my previous e-mail. As indeed is this one. *I can
> look out of my window, right here, at actual London traffic.

I just wanted to know much better was in 1992 when I was there. I
guess that's much better, due to the recent changes introduced.

>
> >I've said your driving laws are very good
>
> Thankyou. *I missed that posting, I guess. *My apologies. *What is it
> about our laws that impresses you? *Are we unique, or do other places
> have similar laws?

No, I was indeed teasing you, but a few GOOD SUGGESTIONS are found in
that article. For example, the 20mph limit on the slow lane makes so
much sense. We would start though by explaining to people there's such
a thing as a slow lane.

> >but I trust the
> >writer's statement that cyclists still live under the law of the
> >jungle in London to be right.
>
> Hmm. *As one who lives here, and cycles here, I would say that is
> unwise. *Cycling is safe enough here that, if you do choose to live
> by the law of the jungle, your mean free path between collisions
> might be long enough for you to get away with it, but it's still not
> a good idea.

Things haven't changed here (Miami) in the last 15 years. I don't
think they ever will.

> >How many people ride bike in London?
>
> The should be new annual figures out any time now - watch for a press
> release from Transport for London on their web sitewww.tfl.gov.uk.
> Last years figures estimate 480 000 journeys a day. *I would guess
> that most people take around two journeys a day, rather than getting
> on the train with their bike to come home again. *Whether this
> includes journeys to a train station, I don't know. *Most London
> statistics count only the "main leg" of a journey, so riding to the
> station to catch a train might not be counted

How about BIKE FACILITIES? It seems cyclists still must negotiate the
streets. Copenhagen made bike lanes on major streets lately.

> >Anyway, I'd rather ride a bike in London than in places where still
> >the drivers ignore any civilized rules of the road. In America we
> >have
> >to tame the beast first.
>
> Having ridden many miles on both sides of th Altlantic, I would say
> that there is not much in it, though there are, of course, many
> places in the USA where I have not ridden (Chicago, for example).
> Civilized or not - that might depend on your definition of civilized,
> which doesn't always seem to be the same as everyone's on this
> newsgroup - I would say that there always are rules, and when you
> ride or bike, or are anywhere among other people, it's advisable to
> know what those rules are.

I think the most basic rule of the road is LANE DISCIPLINE, without
which the whole road becomes a zigzagging mess. If we don't have that
we are left with the law of the jungle.

>
> >I read the reviews of the book, but I'm sure even bullfighting can
> >be
> >done in a safe way if you know the tricks of the trade
>
> [snip]
>
> The moral of which, I take it, is to know the tricks of the trade.
> Buy a copy of "Effective Cycling"

I'll check into it. But don't forget here's more bullfighting.

Tom Sherman

Pat in Upstate New York, not Texas, wrote:
> On Apr 20, 6:49 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
>> dangerous.
>
> Like usual, you are grossly exagerating. Not "everyone" is armed and
> dangerous. Me -- for instance -- I am not usually armed and
> dangerous. Even when armed, I'm not dangerous to you.[...]

For most people, a motor vehicle is a more dangerous weapon than a firearm.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

frkrygow@gmail.com

On Apr 22, 5:03 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> How about BIKE FACILITIES? It seems cyclists still must negotiate the
> streets. Copenhagen made bike lanes on major streets lately.

Streets _are_ bike facilities. Those thousands of London trips made
by bicycle prove it. The trips I make every day prove it. The
fifteen million miles ridden between bike fatalities are almost all
done on streets, and that also proves it.

Get over your irrational terror. Learn to ride properly, and stop
whining.

- Frank Krygowski

Jym Dyer

=v= "Never stand before the bull" is good advice. OTOH,
reading all this bull from the Commandante [of nothing]
suggests some advice along the lines of never standing
in back of the bull, either.
<_Jym_>

P.S.: Removed rec.bicycles.rides since this has absolutely
nothing whatsoever to do with that newsgroup's charter.
Try reading a FAQ and practicing the most basic rudiments
of Usenet courtesy for a change.