Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks

Gunner Asch

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:15:41 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>
>Gunner wants to run over and kill (murder) children if they impede his
>forward progress with his truck, carrying all those valuable parts and tools
>you know. Christ ... if only I had some parts and tools and a truck to drive
>them in like he does, then I could murder children too. Life is not fair!


Now that you have exposed your paranoia and idioucy Dedwood, please
post the relevant portions of my posts to back up your claim.

If you are unable to do so, then be reminded that A..you can be sued
for such comments, obviously lies, and B, you can be beaten to within
an inch of your life for being a lying cocksucker.

Dedward..you are a Darwin event waiting to happen. Your arrogance
and/or stupidity will get you killed or maimed and Ill be sorry that
it happens because then some poor bastard will have to live with the
fallout for the rest of their lives.

Why not simply slit your wrists now and save that person the heart
ache?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Gunner Asch

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Road rage runs rampant
>on Bay Area highways

Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?

So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Don Klipstein

In article <636o0499k3lttu0fcpq76sm7fo72a1itne@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>wrote:
>
>>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>>> utter stupidity.
>>>
>>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>>> actually.
>>>
>>> Pity
>>>
>>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.
>>
>>Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>>Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>>motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>>It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>>literally murder them!
>
>And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>has had the bike riders bully them.

I have a lot of experience driving both cars and bicycles.

The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.

Third place is cyclists doing less yielding to the vehicle to the right
(when both vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time) at
intersections controlled by stop signs or at uncontrolled
intersections.

4th place is cyclists getting adventurous at intersections controlled by
stop signs, while not all roads entering the intersection are required to
stop.

Motorists also offend. In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal. This
includes the "Prime Offense" of first shifting onto a bike lane upon
approach to a right turn, and afterwards engaging the turn signal (if the
turn signal is engaged at all).
I see all too many motorists failing to use turn signals at all,
delaying use of turn signals until turning the steering wheel, not
signaling lane changes, and only sometimes signaling lane changes due to
failing to signal lane change to and/or from a parking lane!

As bad as cyclists do such feats, I see both as a cyclist and as a
motorist even worse being jaywalkers in counties with "generous juries".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Tom Keats

In article <636o0499k3lttu0fcpq76sm7fo72a1itne@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> writes:

> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
> has had the bike riders bully them.
>
> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
> smidge, far more often than they do.

Yeah, right. We're just asking for it. You car drivers
are such victims.

Maybe you should have trauma counselors to help
you get over being bullied by us bicyclists,
ya pussies.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Gunner Asch

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:34 -0700, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <636o0499k3lttu0fcpq76sm7fo72a1itne@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> writes:
>
>> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>> has had the bike riders bully them.
>>
>> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
>> smidge, far more often than they do.
>
>Yeah, right. We're just asking for it. You car drivers
>are such victims.
>
>Maybe you should have trauma counselors to help
>you get over being bullied by us bicyclists,
>ya pussies.

Tommy boy...I drive a big assed vehicle for a living. Ive had (1)
motor vehicle citation in 9 MILLION miles, and that for crossing a
double yellow line into the car pool lane to avoid a moron swerving
all over the lane next to mine while fighting with his cell phone.

I mention that big assed vehicle, because it really doesnt care if it
turns a rider into a red smear on the pavement or not, and its not
likely to even be slowed down a smidge by chewing one up and spitting
it out, bike and all.

It also takes a significantly longer time frame to come to a dead
stop. A time frame many riders evidently seem to be unaware of, as
they act like the oncoming vehicle is a 10 yr old on a skateboard.

How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

pyotr filipivich

[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 20
Apr 2008 21:36:16 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
><nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Road rage runs rampant
>>on Bay Area highways
>
>Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?
>
>So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?

Maybe they consider themselves each to be The Higher Power, and
must therefore smite the heathen on their own.

Religious fanatics seem to be that way, just ask the Secularists.
Like Eddy.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."

pyotr filipivich

[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Mon, 21
Apr 2008 01:31:42 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>
>It also takes a significantly longer time frame to come to a dead
>stop. A time frame many riders evidently seem to be unaware of, as
>they act like the oncoming vehicle is a 10 yr old on a skateboard.
>
>How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
>your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?

To reiterate: bicyclists seem to behave as if the they are not
more subject to the laws of physics than they are to the traffic laws.
They're wrong on both counts. There are certain "objective realities",
comrade. Wanting a diagnosis of athlete's foot doesn't make the
compound fracture go away. Believing a truck or automobile is as
maneuverable as a bike is equally foolish.



--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."

Steve Ball

Tom Keats:

> In article <C4327B94.21839%pretty_good@every.thing>,
> Steve Ball <pretty_good@every.thing> writes:
>> Tom Keats:
>>
>>> In article <slrng0o89i.qpk.don@manx.misty.com>,
>>> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) writes:
>>>
>>>> The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
>>>> cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
>>>
>>> Bullshit! Riders do /not/ suicidally barge into
>>> cross traffic. No rational person does.
>>
>> He didn't say they did. Just that they stop bikes run far more red lights
>> than cars generally do.
>
> If a vehicle operator goes through a red light at a minor
> intersection when there's no cross-traffic, where's the harm?

I guess the harm is that's what good for the goose has to be good for the
gander. If cyclists can decide which traffic signs to obey and when, why not
motorists? I mean, if I car goes through a red light when there's no traffic
on then intersecting road, where's the harm? Do you want to apply this to
speed limits too? (Cyclists - even me - regularly exceed the posted 30 kph
in Sydney's Centennial park; motorists get booked.)

We have fundamentally different views here in that I enjoy my car, whereas
you never want to own one, but try to make room for that not all motorists
are the enemy but many, like a lot of people people, if you choose to make
them so, will accept the mantle.

Steve = : ^ )

hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com

On Apr 14, 6:12*pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>
> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>
> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
> gutters and sidewalks.
>
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
mid-90's.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 12:36*am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Road rage runs rampant
> >on Bay Area highways
>
> Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?
>
> So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?

I'm afraid some pro-gun conservatives have been sneaking in from the
red states...

Hey, wait a minute, California is kind of a red state. But they got a
smart Republican. The political jungle is very complex, I tell you.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 12:25 am, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:49 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
> > dangerous.
>
> Hyperbole must be part of the Troll's Rules of Conduct. If "everybody
> is armed and dangerous" every day should be one gigantic bloodbath
> with hundreds of thousands killed or maimed yet that isn't the case.

There are such a bad combination: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH &
FEAR

Yep, bad laws --or lack of good laws-- start the cycle of violence.
Case in point is the lack of legislation or enforcement about passing
laws. Here's what's going on in my particular city that shouldn't be
much different from your average American city...

> Miami is such a sprawling area. I don’t see how, even in the best possible circumstances, how the ENTIRE city could be bike-friendly.

Politicians and officers don’t care about bikes, one way or the other.
There ain’t much money in it. And basically you are at the good will
of drivers, who often feel cyclists are, at best, a nuisance.

But ALL IS NEEDED IS THE RIGHT LAWS, one that let’s you pass on the
left when in a hurry, and go slow on the right --as slow as 20mph if
we want to accomodate scooters and bikes. That’s THE WAY THEY DO IT IN
CIVILIZED COUNTRIES, not in the Banana Republics…

Road Rage Bill Clears Committee

A bill aimed at curbing road rage made it through its first Senate
committee, though similar legislation has stalled in recent years.

The legislation would attempt to reduce road rage by requiring drivers
to move out of the farthest lane left when being overtaken by faster
vehicles. It also would improve the flow of traffic, said the bill’s
sponsor, Sen. Mike Bennett, R-Bradenton.

One problem with the bill is that a person driving the legal speed
limit could be ticketed for not pulling over for someone who is
exceeding it, said Sen. Alex Villalobos, R-Miami, who voted against
the bill. The bill would also cause problems during rush hour because
there’s always someone in the left lane wanting to pass the car in
front of him, he said.

The Senate Committee on Transportation approved the bill (SB 658) with
a vote of 4-3. A similar House bill (HB 1177) passed its first
committee last week. The bill has several more stops before making it
to the floor of either chamber.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20.../803260577/1374


>
> > Until this point, the worst I got for cutting someone off was the
> > finger, not a bullet in the chest.
>
> The inference to be drawn from this would seem to be that you've
> recently been shot for cutting someone off in traffic. In that case,
> best wishes for a speedy recovery- and stop cutting people off.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt

I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
something with a finger or a gun are two different things.

The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
fear. Particularly the cyclists.

And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...

ComandanteBanana

The only hope the cyclists got is that things get bad enough in the
international jungle. Yep, what may be bad news for the Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles, may be good news for the smart and efficient
cyclits...

Oil prices spike to record above $117
Monday April 21, 9:53 am ET

Oil prices climb to record above $117 a barrel after Mideast attack on
Japanese oil tanker

Oil prices spiked to a record above $117 a barrel on Monday after a
Japanese oil tanker was attacked off the east coast of Yemen.
The 150,000-ton tanker Takayama was attacked about 270 miles off the
Yemen coast in the Gulf of Aden while it was heading for Saudi Arabia,
its Japanese operator, Nippon Yusen K.K., said in a statement posted
on its Web site.

***

But no need to cry over the soccer moms. They can use something like
this...

(cute, no?)

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...3Den %26sa%3DN

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 2:35 am, Harry Brogan
<hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:25:50 -0700 (PDT), Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 20, 5:49 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
> >> dangerous.
>
> >Hyperbole must be part of the Troll's Rules of Conduct. If "everybody
> >is armed and dangerous" every day should be one gigantic bloodbath
> >with hundreds of thousands killed or maimed yet that isn't the case.
>
> >> Until this point, the worst I got for cutting someone off was the
> >> finger, not a bullet in the chest.
>
> >The inference to be drawn from this would seem to be that you've
> >recently been shot for cutting someone off in traffic. In that case,
> >best wishes for a speedy recovery- and stop cutting people off.
>
> >Regards,
> >Bob Hunt
>
> It's only relatively recently, here in the U.S., that people have not
> been able to be "armed" while out and about. I don't recall reading
> anywhere about the "old west" being a blood bath.
> __o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
> _`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
> (_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---- Hide quoted text -

Well, it seems to have been pretty wild...

I don't think many travellers would have dared ride a horse alone. No
safer than riding a bike in traffic today.

That's why "circle the wagons" came to be a popular saying.

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:19:50 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>>
>> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>> has had the bike riders bully them.
>
>I have never seen that - ever! Some cyclists are stupid as hell and
>therefore do stupid things, but a cyclist is no match for anyone driving a
>motor vehicle.
>[...]

As retarded and arrogant as you have shown yourself to be, your denial
is observed with amused contempt.

A cyclist is no match for a motor vehicle. Gee Edtard..Im glad we
finally agree on something.

Best keep it in mind, and pass it along to your fellow riders..or
potential organ donors as it were.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr