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16-04.-2008, 07:11 AM
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Re: "NEVER TRUST THE BEAST!"
How sad, you have a strong idea and then you die because you were
wrong all along. Case in point is how Crocodile Hunter was killed by a manta ray while trying to prove that sea monsters were quite harmless... No, they are not. I say, "NEVER TRUST THE BEAST!" A basic concept in the jungle. Here's another example of people who die because of their wrong ideas... Is Cycling Dangerous? Cyclist Ken Kifer uses statistics from a variety of reliable sources to show that bicycling is not as dangerous as people often think it is. I think his number of cyclists is a bit optimisitic, and that makes the fractional risk a bit too small in some cases, but overall he makes a good argument that cycling is not that risky. Sadly, Ken was killed by a drunken driver in September 2003 while he was bicycling. |
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16-04.-2008, 08:48 AM
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Re: Cyclist Stabs Motorist
Well, America ain't alone in the law of the jungle. Even civilized
Canada suffers from it. But the solution is the same... "if the cops do something about how much worse driving has gotten in the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid consequences, which they won't do just because it is right." Cyclist Stabs Motorist Posted November 2nd, 2007 by vic in road rage The Toronto Star is reporting that a cyclist stabbed a motorist with a screwdriver after a road rage incident. It happened this morning at around 9:45am at the corner of College and McCaul. A few more details on the City News website. They believe the cyclist was a "courier". It hurts me to read about incidents like this. I have no idea what caused this altercation, or why the cyclist felt it was necessary to stab the motorist. I was honked at and flipped off by a motorist on Dundas St. this morning, then almost nailed by a left-turning car near my work. But even when bad things happen to me on the road, I never even come close to wanting to stab someone. All this madness on the roads needs to end. .... cars as weapons On November 2nd, 2007 tanya says: Definitely its not acceptable to stab a motorist over a road rage altercation. Its not acceptable either to threaten them by waving a knife in their face. But yet when motorists get "road rage" they have a deadly weapon right under their right foot. I've encountered motorists who will try to intimidate me by gunning for me, then swerving at the last minute. Its sad that this kind of knife waving is all too socially "acceptable". .... Human nature is s%$# On November 2nd, 2007 Aidan says: Who cares what the guy's job, or lack of, was. He went postal. The fact that every cyclist commenting here has likely fantasized about doing something similar points to what we put up with. Human nature is s%$#, but if the cops do something about how much worse driving has gotten in the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid consequences, which they won't do just because it is right. http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1735 |
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16-04.-2008, 09:43 AM
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Re: Cyclist Stabs Motorist
donquijote1954 wrote:
> Well, America ain't alone in the law of the jungle. Even civilized > Canada suffers from it. But the solution is the same... > > "if the cops do something about how much worse driving has gotten in > the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid consequences, > which they won't do just because it is right." > > > Cyclist Stabs Motorist > Posted November 2nd, 2007 by vic in road rage > The Toronto Star is reporting that a cyclist stabbed a motorist with a > screwdriver after a road rage incident. It happened this morning at > around 9:45am at the corner of College and McCaul. > > A few more details on the City News website. They believe the cyclist > was a "courier". > > It hurts me to read about incidents like this. I have no idea what > caused this altercation, or why the cyclist felt it was necessary to > stab the motorist. I was honked at and flipped off by a motorist on > Dundas St. this morning, then almost nailed by a left-turning car near > my work. But even when bad things happen to me on the road, I never > even come close to wanting to stab someone. > > All this madness on the roads needs to end. > > ... > > cars as weapons > On November 2nd, 2007 tanya says: > Definitely its not acceptable to stab a motorist over a road rage > altercation. Its not acceptable either to threaten them by waving a > knife in their face. > > But yet when motorists get "road rage" they have a deadly weapon right > under their right foot. I've encountered motorists who will try to > intimidate me by gunning for me, then swerving at the last minute. Its > sad that this kind of knife waving is all too socially "acceptable". > > ... > > Human nature is s%$# > On November 2nd, 2007 Aidan says: > Who cares what the guy's job, or lack of, was. He went postal. The > fact that every cyclist commenting here has likely fantasized about > doing something similar points to what we put up with. Human nature is > s%$#, but if the cops do something about how much worse driving has > gotten in the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid > consequences, which they won't do just because it is right. > > http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1735 > guns fix it , cyclists need guns , guns = get respect , guns make cyclists equal to truckies the answer is GUZ GUNZ GUNZ |
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16-04.-2008, 10:59 AM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> [...] > You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about > bicycling.[...] Must not be a very interesting or important book if it does not discuss cycling. Cycling, beer, cows and Usenet are important; all the rest is rubbish. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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16-04.-2008, 11:02 AM
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Re: Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks
Gunner Asch wrote:
> [...] > Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride > bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and > parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I > drive. [...] > my two biggest fears when driving are kids chasing a ball across the > roadway,[...] Why? Children are hardly large enough to do more than cosmetic damage to your truck. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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16-04.-2008, 11:03 AM
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Re: Cyclist Stabs Motorist
Myal wrote:
> [...] > guns fix it , cyclists need guns , guns = get respect , guns make > cyclists equal to truckies > > the answer is GUZ GUNZ GUNZ > Spike Bike lives! -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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16-04.-2008, 01:19 PM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote: >> You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about >> bicycling. *I'd >> be happy to look it up in my own copy if you could provide book, >> chapter >> and verse. >> >> Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >It's evident enough... HE RODE A DONKEY. > >You get the point? He chose the most humble mode of transportation >around, saying like a bike today. Would that be a $20 Huffy..or the latest deep pocket custom made hip slick and cool hiteck carbonfibre and titanium ultralight ride so prefered by the "humble bike riders"? Hummmm??? Or perhaps a "Big Wheel" in Barbie color scheme? Gunner |
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16-04.-2008, 01:21 PM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:32:32 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote: >[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that >Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Tue, 15 >Apr 2008 10:29:16 -0700 in misc.survivalism : >>On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana >><nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On Apr 14, 9:54*pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954 >>>> >>>> <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the >>>> >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the >>>> >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive. >>>> >>>> Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right" >>>> >>>> Might want to ponder on that one for a bit. >>> >>>Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly. >>> >>>I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and >>>Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems >>>to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's >>>getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and >>>you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their >>>power and wealth --if not to impose their might... >>> >>>However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get, >>>the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they >>>disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either. >>> >>>Someone may ponder about that too. >> >>And this has what to do with assholes on bikes thinking they can >>survive an encounter with a motor vehicle? > > Bikers feel that they too can pick and chose which laws apply to >them. Including the laws of physics. > Unfortunately, there are certain objective realities; just because >you're rather have a diagnosis of athelete's foot, doesn't make the >compound fracture go away. > > > >tschus >pyotr Most excellently spoken. Gunner |
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16-04.-2008, 05:41 PM
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Re: Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters and sidewalks
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:40:33 -0400, Fred Clydesdale
<fred@belldinger.com> wrote: >In article <8qo904he61369i4bn4g7a23fpf2s58ofqf@4ax.com>, > Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote: > >> Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride >> bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and >> parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I >> drive. >> >> On the other hand..its bad kharma to leave a bike rider a red smear on >> the roadway because the spandex clad dipshit decided that he is above >> all traffic laws and the laws of physics dont apply to the big assed >> trucks he cuts in front of. Much like the rainbow stickered idjits in >> tiny cars who do the same. > >perhaps you have been a Bad Man through several lives already, and >the 900 lbs of tools (i assume that includes at least one 250 >lb tool) are the burden you must bear for your past transgressions. > >all you need is a begging bowl, sandals and two full outfits by >pearl izumi. 'kharma' will reward you a thousandfold in your next >life. I do take Paypal as well. Gunner |
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16-04.-2008, 05:41 PM
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Re: Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters and sidewalks
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:02:27 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >Gunner Asch wrote: >> [...] >> Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride >> bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and >> parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I >> drive. [...] >> my two biggest fears when driving are kids chasing a ball across the >> roadway,[...] > >Why? Children are hardly large enough to do more than cosmetic damage to >your truck. Bad Kharma and the wailing of the next of kin can be irritating. Gunner |
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16-04.-2008, 08:52 PM
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Re: Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks
Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:02:27 -0500, Tom Sherman > <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> [...] >>> Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride >>> bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and >>> parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I >>> drive. [...] >>> my two biggest fears when driving are kids chasing a ball across the >>> roadway,[...] >> Why? Children are hardly large enough to do more than cosmetic damage to >> your truck. > > Bad Kharma and the wailing of the next of kin can be irritating. > Natural selection - only the quick and alert survive. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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16-04.-2008, 10:23 PM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
On Apr 16, 12:19*am, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana > > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about > >> bicycling. *I'd > >> be happy to look it up in my own copy if you could provide book, > >> chapter > >> and verse. > > >> Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >It's evident enough... HE RODE A DONKEY. > > >You get the point? He chose the most humble mode of transportation > >around, saying like a bike today. > > Would that be a $20 *Huffy..or the latest deep pocket custom made *hip > slick and cool hiteck carbonfibre and titanium ultralight ride so > prefered by the "humble bike riders"? > > Hummmm??? > > Or perhaps a "Big Wheel" in Barbie color scheme? > > Gunner No, Huffies are more for the beggars that Jesus helped. He being God would have need something more stately, like a pedal forward bike that keeps your back straight and your head high for scanning the horizon. Two choices are obvious: Electra bikes, or the cheaper brand that I use, Sun. Well, I don't make any claims to being God either, so I'm happy with it. Or he may have used another option I'm considering, a trike. Yeah, that would have allowed him to carry his Bibles and other gadgets... |
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16-04.-2008, 10:44 PM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
On Apr 15, 8:26 pm, nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:
> > It hurts me to read about incidents like this. I have no idea what > > caused this altercation, or why the cyclist felt it was necessary to > > stab the motorist. I was honked at and flipped off by a motorist on > > Dundas St. this morning, then almost nailed by a left-turning car near > > my work. But even when bad things happen to me on the road, I never > > even come close to wanting to stab someone. > > I was in one incident (fortunately no injuries or crashes) in which > an irate driver passed me in very light traffic on a perfectly straight > road, and then, when the road went from 4 lanes to 2, he tried to > close the gap between us and would slam on his breaks, repeating this > behavior 3 times. I managed to avoid an accident, but it was very > close. > > I got his license number and reported it to the police. With the reaction > I got from the f___tards in the DA's office, coupled with the lies and > run-arounds, I can see why someone might react the way this Canadian > cyclist did. If society wants people to do the "right" thing and let > the criminal justice system handle it, the criminal justice system has > to uphold its part of the bargain. > > BTW, the driver admitted to the braking. His excuse was that I was > supposedly going 30 in a 25 zone and he couldn't outrun me, but I > was blocking traffic anyway. And that was on a knobby-tired mountain > bike on basically level ground. > > -- > My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB I forgot to get his plate, but for the reasons above, I don't think there would have been justice --and definitely I'd have gone through a lot of trouble. I have another strategy in dealing with the beasts and it's based on a saying of mine, "My struggle is not against the puppet, but against the puppeteer"... Who's the puppeteer who could change things and GIVE RESPECT to the cyclists? The police, the politicians, the president? Or all of them? The puppet only takes life in an atmosphere where the cyclists are equivalent to a stray dog. Even if you screwdrive him, it's not worth it. Never waste your time with the puppet. Go for the puppeteer. And that's what I'm doing here. |
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16-04.-2008, 11:54 PM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
On Apr 16, 10:17 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> > (Hey, this goes to show that I'm not repeating stuff here. What you > > want me to talk about next?)- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Talk about the role of the bicycler in ensuring his/her own safety > with a brief forray into bicycle edicate. A sidebar and politeness > and civility would also be nice. Then you could cap this with a > discussion on respect for other people, the end to ego-centricism, > recognition that all people are different (and want different things) > and how the world would be better if we all did our part to get along. > > That would be a nice this for discussion.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not until we see the connection between the victims of the law of the jungle in Haiti and our own roads we will realize we are under attack by the rich and powerful... On Apr 13, 8:49 am, Igor The Terrible <igor_the_terri...@mad.scientist.com> wrote: > My...imagine that! The repercussions of the maldistribution of wealth > will soon turn on new avenues and come back to rattle the cages of the > economically oppressive whose reasoning has been all but squashed by > insatiable greed. Potable water is a becoming an endangered commodity > and now food is right behind it. This shit doesn't look good at all. > A word to the wise; address this emerging crisis promptly as it should > be...or resign yourselves to a fate of your own making. It's no > longer a game of money being used as beans to keep score. It is now > becoming a matter of survival and the law of the jungle will rapidly > eclipse the laws of intellectuals for the promotion of an orderly > society. Riots are already breaking out in our hemisphere. (See > Haiti) We can't simply get along because a few want to keep their lion's share of the pie, whether that pie is resources or a piece of road. And every monkey who does something about it, gets us one step closer toward fixing the jungle --or making it real wild for all. WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE! |
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17-04.-2008, 12:29 AM
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Re: only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive
I put this question to the Scandinavians...
I challenge the lady who had these incidents to tell me if she thinks that could have happened to her in Sweden. While I was in Norway, I generally saw good behavior. I'm writing from the jungle (Miami)...  "Actually, I know this first hand. I grew up on the key and there is a toll you have to pay to get on there. The residents always complained about how their tolls were being raised because of people running the tolls. At one town meeting, they all decided that if they ever saw someone trying to run the toll, they would alert a toll booth collector (the emblem lane was a clear lane without an attendant) and so they did; stopping in the lane to call over attendants to charge the scammers trying to sneak in behind them. You heard stories of arguments and road rage farther down the causeway but one day a busybody troublemaker my mom was driving through there with me in the car. She saw through her rear view mirror that the guy behind us did not have an emblem so she stopped and started honking until the attendant came over to collect his measly dollar and off she drove. Right before the bridge, the man pulls up next to us, on my side, and pulls out a gun- A GUN. I was still in elementary school. I remember how scared my mom looked and how TERRIFIED I was when she physically started taking my seatbelt off and pushing me towards the floor of the car. She flew to the first gas station she could find and she NEVER tried that hall monitor shit again. I, on the other hand, did not learn my lesson that day. When I was 16, a few days shy of leaving for college, I was driving through the Gables with my best pal Laura and there was this car of guys that kept pulling up next to us. We ignored them- actually, we screwed with them by turning up the radio at the light by the Coral Gables library. We played this game the whole way through the Gables. At the light of Coral Way/Miracle Mile and Le Jeune, they pulled up next to us again. With that they make some dumb ass comments and we laugh. One of them yells 'what you laughing at white cracker bitch?' To which my smart ass responds 'F U.' The guy got out of the car and grabbed my friends hair. Not thinking that there are lunatics out there and because I can't leave well enough alone empowered by the whole teen/live forever bit, I get out of the car to get the guy's tag number. There was a quick verbal exchange but it ended in the guy punching me. 3 am and 12 stitches later, I decided life pays you back for your crimes that and I finally understood Newton's Law of Motion." HAVE YOU BEEN THE VICTIM OF HORROR STORIES LIKE THESE? |
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