Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:27:51 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Apr 21, 12:36*am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>>
>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Road rage runs rampant
>> >on Bay Area highways
>>
>> Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?
>>
>> So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?
>
>I'm afraid some pro-gun conservatives have been sneaking in from the
>red states...
>
>Hey, wait a minute, California is kind of a red state. But they got a
>smart Republican. The political jungle is very complex, I tell you.

The urban areas of California ARE Red sectors. They attract
leftwingers like flies to garbage.

The rest of the state of course, is mostly blue. We here in
California, like to think of the Urban areas as reservations where we
keep the leftwingers, so they cant do too much harm. Now if we could
do something about the leftwingers controlling the government in
Sacramento. Aaaanold is hardly a Conservative btw..at best, he is a
moderate Democrat who votes Republican.

Given that the Bay Area is a hotbed of Liberalism..San Fran being a
hotbed of ultra far leftwing extremist fringe kooks, and given that
most homicides in Californa are committed by minority
members..minorities that historically vote Democrat, its quite obvious
that leftwingers are homicidal maniacs.

Shrug...which is why I dont live in a major urban area, but simply
work there.
And legally carry a concealed firearm on my person, daily.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Dan

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>>> utter stupidity.
>>>
>>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>>> actually.
>>>
>>> Pity
>>>
>>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.
>> Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>> Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>> motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>> It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>> literally murder them!
>
> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
> has had the bike riders bully them.

Aw, poor Runner. So sad to be coward...

Those big manly guys on their 30 lb bicycles are such bullies,
especially when confronted by wimps in multi-ton masses of steel powered
by hundreds of horsepower.

Yeah...

> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
> smidge, far more often than they do.

What an asshole. Of course we knew that, but the fact that you
broadcast it as though you were proud of it.

Wow! Just "wow."

> You are a paranoid nutcase Dedward and a Darwin event waiting to
> happen.

Well, I have seen a friend run off the road. He came within inches of
probable death or severe injury. A friend was run over recently. She
was a pedestrian.

Face it, many people driving cars just do not take much care. I've
always taught my kids to be respectful of those without armor, but I
also tell them it is better to be alive than right. YMMV.

Dan

Dan

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
> <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Road rage runs rampant
>> on Bay Area highways
>
> Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?

Somewhat.

> So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?

I fail to perceive of a single comparative in his statement.

Injecting a little editorial comment where it doesn't belong, eh?

Dan

> Gunner
>
>
> "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
> would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
> methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
> power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
> problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
> they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
> wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
> want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
> Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
> rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
> complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
> that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
> correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
> competing factions of Islamic
> fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
> forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
> and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 2:23*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 20, 11:30*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > OK, I finally took delivery of official vehicle of the revolution (the
> > trike), with plenty of space in the basket to carry bananas for the
> > lions.
>
> Bring your trike up here to Detroit, Comandante. *We usually relegate
> bicyclists to the morgue.

No way, I rather go into the Congo jungle or even Iraqi jungle. A
bunch a killers in Detroit. They even killed the electric car!

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 11:29*am, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 21, 6:48 am, Steve Ball <pretty_g...@every.thing> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I guess the harm is that's what good for the goose has to be good for the
> > gander. If cyclists can decide which traffic signs to obey and when, whynot
> > motorists? I mean, if I car goes through a red light when there's no traffic
> > on then intersecting road, where's the harm? Do you want to apply this to
> > speed limits too? (Cyclists - even me - regularly exceed the posted 30 kph
> > in Sydney's Centennial park; motorists get booked.)
>
> From what I see here in America, what's good for the goose is indeed
> good for the gander. *That is, everyone violates traffic laws.
>
> I have a stop sign less than 100 yards from where I'm typing this.
> Only about half the motorists come to a complete stop. *I regularly
> see motorists going through red lights. *That's most often by
> squeezing through a fresh red before cross traffic starts up, but I
> regularly see deliberate disobedience of a light that was long red
> (including one memorable one by a cop - no siren or emergency lights;
> he just didn't want to wait). *I see a majority of motorists exceeding
> speed limits, and neglecting turn signals before turning or changing
> lanes. *I regularly see motorists violating the laws in other ways as
> well - the list could go on and on.
>
> Bicyclists and pedestrians do the same, of course. *I believe the
> major difference is not in frequency of disobedience, but in
> consequences of disobedience. *Bicyclists and pedestrians almost never
> injure anyone but themselves by their mistakes. *Motorists in America
> routinely kill tens of thousands per year.
>
> (However, that's does NOT give credence to the "bicycling is
> dangerous!!!" nonsense. *Most of those killed by motorists are
> motorists. *Only a very few are cyclists.)
>
> In summary: *People will not be perfect in their obedience to laws,
> whether they are on foot, on two wheels or on four (or more). *Yes,
> the legal system does generally concentrate on motorist violations,
> but that's only logical, since motorist offenses are the ones that do
> almost all the harm.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

I've thought we'd never agree on something.

What is it we disagree on? Oh, that riding a bike in traffic is safe.
But how can it be if drivers routinely ignore the laws, or simply
there are no good laws?

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>> The big question is now..since you are much lower than before..how is
>> your visibility to other vehicles? Id hope you have a flag on a stick
>> of some sort to attempt to catch the attention of other vehicle
>> operators.
>>
>> A friend of mine builds recombent bikes, and has had some really close
>> calls because of the lower profile and lower visiblity. He now puts a
>> flag on a bit of graphite tent pole when interacting with motor
>> vehicles. *The is the reason many of the electric powered chair riders
>> do this as well. If you blend in...you wont be seen.
>>
>> Gunner

>
>No, this is not a recumbent, just semi-recumbent. High enough to see
>and be seen.

Perhaps you might wish to have somone ride your trike, while you
follow in a high profile vehicle such as an SUV, to determine just how
visible your ride really is? Try not to run over him/her.
>
>It's nicer than I was lead to believe by articles about uprights.
>Maybe the small difference in the pedals makes the difference.

Shrug

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

frkrygow@gmail.com

On Apr 21, 4:41 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 21, 11:29 am, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> > From what I see here in America, what's good for the goose is indeed
> > good for the gander. That is, everyone violates traffic laws.
>
> > I have a stop sign less than 100 yards from where I'm typing this.
> > Only about half the motorists come to a complete stop. I regularly
> > see motorists going through red lights. That's most often by
> > squeezing through a fresh red before cross traffic starts up, but I
> > regularly see deliberate disobedience of a light that was long red
> > (including one memorable one by a cop - no siren or emergency lights;
> > he just didn't want to wait). I see a majority of motorists exceeding
> > speed limits, and neglecting turn signals before turning or changing
> > lanes. I regularly see motorists violating the laws in other ways as
> > well - the list could go on and on.
>
> > Bicyclists and pedestrians do the same, of course. I believe the
> > major difference is not in frequency of disobedience, but in
> > consequences of disobedience. Bicyclists and pedestrians almost never
> > injure anyone but themselves by their mistakes. Motorists in America
> > routinely kill tens of thousands per year.
>
> > (However, that's does NOT give credence to the "bicycling is
> > dangerous!!!" nonsense. Most of those killed by motorists are
> > motorists. Only a very few are cyclists.)
>
> > In summary: People will not be perfect in their obedience to laws,
> > whether they are on foot, on two wheels or on four (or more). Yes,
> > the legal system does generally concentrate on motorist violations,
> > but that's only logical, since motorist offenses are the ones that do
> > almost all the harm.
>
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> I've thought we'd never agree on something.
>
> What is it we disagree on? Oh, that riding a bike in traffic is safe.
> But how can it be if drivers routinely ignore the laws, or simply
> there are no good laws?

You confuse disobedience with danger.

To evaluate disobedience of laws related to a given activity, you
observe people and see how often they disobey the laws applying to
that activity.

To evaluate the danger of an activity, you observe how much time
people spend in the activity, and you count how often they are killed
or seriously injured per unit time.

Bicyclists are very, very rarely killed or seriously injured. Again:
roughly fifteen MILLION miles of cycling per fatality. Alternately,
dedicated riders that do over 2500 miles per year, including commuting
in traffic, average 11 years between accidents that cost a mere $50.

Most people are pretty inept at cycling. But still, they don't get
seriously injured or killed. The most typical bike injury is a
skinned knee.

Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
occasional skinned knee. So again: quit whining.

- Frank Krygowski

Tom Sherman

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>
>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>
>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>
>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>
>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>> mid-90's.
>
>
> Yes and?
>
> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
> mother and child in the same time period.
>
What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
>> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>>
>>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>>
>>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>>
>>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>>> mid-90's.
>>
>>
>> Yes and?
>>
>> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
>> mother and child in the same time period.
>>
>What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?

A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Tom Sherman

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
>>> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>>>
>>>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>>>> mid-90's.
>>>
>>> Yes and?
>>>
>>> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
>>> mother and child in the same time period.
>>>
>> What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
>
> A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.
>
When did Schwinn make motorcycles?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Gunner Asch

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>>>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>>>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>>>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>>>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>>>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>>>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>>>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>>>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>>>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>>>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>>>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>>>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>>>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>>>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>>>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>>>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>>>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>>>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>>>>> mid-90's.
>>>>
>>>> Yes and?
>>>>
>>>> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
>>>> mother and child in the same time period.
>>>>
>>> What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
>>
>> A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.
>>
>When did Schwinn make motorcycles?

As far as I know, they havent in many many years.

Gunner



"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Tom Sherman

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>>>>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>>>>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>>>>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>>>>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>>>>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>>>>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>>>>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>>>>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>>>>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>>>>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>>>>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>>>>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>>>>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>>>>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>>>>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>>>>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>>>>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>>>>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>>>>>> mid-90's.
>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>
>>>>> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
>>>>> mother and child in the same time period.
>>>>>
>>>> What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
>>> A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.
>>>
>> When did Schwinn make motorcycles?
>
> As far as I know, they havent in many many years.
>
So it was actually a cyclist, and not a biker then?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 5:53 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>
> > I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
> > something with a finger or a gun are two different things.
>
> > The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
> > threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
> > while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
> > fear. Particularly the cyclists.
>
> > And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...
>
> Florida gives you an option to deal with this:http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

That's the only option left... In the jungle, if everybody got paws
and teeth, you better get ready yourself.

Only that it's kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a
lycra short. But then you can wear a T-shirt like this...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote195...283217745636359

Gunner Asch

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:10:42 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>>>>>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>>>>>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>>>>>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>>>>>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>>>>>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>>>>>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>>>>>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>>>>>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>>>>>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>>>>>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>>>>>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>>>>>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>>>>>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>>>>>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>>>>>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>>>>>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>>>>>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>>>>>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>>>>>>> mid-90's.
>>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
>>>>>> mother and child in the same time period.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
>>>> A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.
>>>>
>>> When did Schwinn make motorcycles?
>>
>> As far as I know, they havent in many many years.
>>
>So it was actually a cyclist, and not a biker then?

Yes. Bike rider.

I doubt the individual was riding one of these...

http://www.motosolvang.com/bike_pag...inn_Whizzer.htm

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr