Re: 9000 bike riders fined for breaking road rules

Zebee Johnstone

In aus.bicycle on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
Duncan <duncanmcrae@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> What I find puzzling is that there are 110 for "carrying passenger
> with no helmet", but only 40 for "carrying more persons than bicycle
> designed for".

lots and lots of wind-in-the-hair tandem riders?

(or the same one who is a slow learner....)

Zebee

Donga

On Apr 8, 10:46 pm, Donga <idomybestworkonab...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 2:52 pm, peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 2:02 pm, Duncan <duncanmc...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 1:33 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In aus.bicycle on Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > > > Duncan <duncanmc...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > still, that means approx 3% of offences were recorded against
> > > > > cyclists, which seems pretty high.
>
> > > > If they can catch that many, then why do they need licences?
>
> > > > I agree it's likely helmet laws, although maybe light laws as well?
> > > > I'd want to see a breakdown of the actual offences...
>
> > > Indeed.
>
> > > It's also not clear if this 9000 is "recorded offences" or "unique
> > > offenders".
>
> > > It is more than likely that the bloke who gets pulled up for no helmet
> > > or running a red, also gets done for
> > > 1/ no reflectors
> > > 2/ no bell
>
> > > I know I'd get done for 1/ if anyone bothered to look, and up until
> > > recently, 2/.
>
> > Sent just now:
> > roadsaf...@transport.qld.gov.au
>
> > Dear Queensland Transport
>
> > As a cyclist and motorist, I was interested to read the article,
> > reproduced below from The Courier Mail, stating that 9000 bike riders
> > were fined in the past year for breaking road rules.
>
> > This article has caused extensive discussion amongst cycling groups. I
> > and a number of my colleagues would like to know a statistical
> > breakdown of these numbers. Would you be so kind as to provide me with
> > further details, that I can share with others. We would like to know:
>
> > - where in Queensland the offences occurred
> > - what were the offences
> > - what penalties were issued
> > - whether these infringements were issued in routine policing or
> > whether they were in specific campaigns
> > - and any other details you think might inform the debate.
>
> > Of course, details on every offence cannot be provided and categorical
> > information will be satisfactory.
>
> > Thankyou in advance for the information.
>
> > Yours sincerely
>
> > Donga
>
> Response, with tables of localities and offences, provided on the
> Bikeqld wiki:http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Imag...nfringements_20...
> Makes for some quite interesting reading. I'll post some comments
> tomorrow.
>
> Donga

Some observations:
- 9,598 offences, total fine $55,625, average fine= $5.80! There must
be a lot of missing data.
UPDATED: after I pointed this out, the statistician found some extra
money. Now it is $716,005 for an average of $74.60 per offence.
- Cairns is the worst location (1,200+) - hardly surprising if you see
the number of Japanese students riding around with evidently complete
disregard for the rules and safety
- Not much action in Brisbane (about 1,150 in all districts)
- Redcliffe police must hate cyclists (600+)
- Huge majority are lack of helmet (8,500) (the average fine would buy
two of the cheaper helmets)
- No lights 250 (wouldn't be hard to crank this up by camping outside
unis and TAFEs after dusk)
- Running a red light 200, but several variant offences on the theme
- 5 drinking alcohol while riding (put it in a bidon, you goof)
- 129 using mobile phone while riding!

G-S

Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
> Duncan <duncanmcrae@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>> What I find puzzling is that there are 110 for "carrying passenger
>> with no helmet", but only 40 for "carrying more persons than bicycle
>> designed for".
>
> lots and lots of wind-in-the-hair tandem riders?
>
> (or the same one who is a slow learner....)
>
> Zebee

People carrying toddlers in toddler seats on bikes where the kid isn't
wearing a helmet?


G-S

Terryc

Donga wrote:

> - 129 using mobile phone while riding!

Which begs the obvious question as to how many qld Mv drivers were
pinged for this offence that year.

Adrian Tritschler

Zebee Johnstone <zebeej@gmail.com> writes:

> In aus.bicycle on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
> Duncan <duncanmcrae@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I find puzzling is that there are 110 for "carrying passenger
>> with no helmet", but only 40 for "carrying more persons than bicycle
>> designed for".
>
> lots and lots of wind-in-the-hair tandem riders?

With tandems the one on the back will assure you there are no
"passengers" -- so there couldn't possibly be an offence that there was
a passenger with no helmet.

> (or the same one who is a slow learner....)

More likely that the policeman was happy to find one offence and didn't
want to charge them with too many at once otherwise he might be thought
to be picking on someone.

> Zebee
Adrain

Skewer

Duncan wrote:
> There are 6 recorded for overtaking a tram at > 10km/h.. does that
> count?
>

What puzzles me is that the last QLD tram ran on April 1969.
So how did 6 tickets get written for the offense 38 years later?.
Is the legal process that slow? ;-)

--
Pete.B

Theo Bekkers

Skewer wrote:
> Duncan wrote:
>> There are 6 recorded for overtaking a tram at > 10km/h.. does that
>> count?
>>
>
> What puzzles me is that the last QLD tram ran on April 1969.
> So how did 6 tickets get written for the offense 38 years later?.
> Is the legal process that slow? ;-)

I think I'm losing my mind. I felt sure there were trams when I was in
Brisbane in 74-5. I'v only been there the once.

Currently in Perth, speed camera offences are being delivered six months
after the offence ocurred.

Theo

Claude

"Theo Bekkers" <tbekkers@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
news:47fd41d5$1@news.bekkers.com.au...

> I think I'm losing my mind. I felt sure there were trams when I was in
> Brisbane in 74-5. I'v only been there the once.
>

Trams were eliminated in Brisbane in 1969. Perhaps you've mixed up
Melbourne or Adelaide with Brisbane?

http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/brisbane.html

Theo Bekkers

Claude wrote:
> "Theo Bekkers wrote

>> I think I'm losing my mind. I felt sure there were trams when I was
>> in Brisbane in 74-5. I'v only been there the once.

> Trams were eliminated in Brisbane in 1969. Perhaps you've mixed up
> Melbourne or Adelaide with Brisbane?
>
> http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/brisbane.html

Yup, I'm losing the indexing system in my mind.

Theo

Terryc

Skewer wrote:
> Duncan wrote:
>
>> There are 6 recorded for overtaking a tram at > 10km/h.. does that
>> count?
>>
>
> What puzzles me is that the last QLD tram ran on April 1969.
> So how did 6 tickets get written for the offense 38 years later?.
> Is the legal process that slow? ;-)

In NSW, if it isn't sent within 6 months, you get off.
<shades of PIB moving to Maitland>

TimC

On 2008-04-09, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Claude wrote:
>> "Theo Bekkers wrote
>
>>> I think I'm losing my mind. I felt sure there were trams when I was
>>> in Brisbane in 74-5. I'v only been there the once.
>
>> Trams were eliminated in Brisbane in 1969. Perhaps you've mixed up
>> Melbourne or Adelaide with Brisbane?
>>
>> http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/brisbane.html
>
> Yup, I'm losing the indexing system in my mind.

You need a fsck.

(fscking fscker fscked up the fsck here. With no backups of the
webswerver.)

--
TimC
If you tried to understand this, you'd be very confused, in the standard
way we talk about confusion. -- Some astronomer at a talk.

lemmiwinks.au@gmail.com

On Apr 10, 11:00 am, TimC <tconn...@no.spam.accepted.here-
astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> On 2008-04-09, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> > Claude wrote:
> >> "Theo Bekkers wrote
>
> >>> I think I'm losing my mind. I felt sure there were trams when I was
> >>> in Brisbane in 74-5. I'v only been there the once.
>
> >> Trams were eliminated in Brisbane in 1969. Perhaps you've mixed up
> >> Melbourne or Adelaide with Brisbane?
>
> >>http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/brisbane.html
>
> > Yup, I'm losing the indexing system in my mind.
>
> You need a fsck.
>
> (fscking fscker fscked up the fsck here. With no backups of the
> webswerver.)

How would he unmount the disk first though? I'm going to assume that
Theo normally comes up in single user mode.

Theo Bekkers

lemmiwinks.au@gmail.com wrote:

> How would he unmount the disk first though? I'm going to assume that
> Theo normally comes up in single user mode.

"comes up in single user mode"

?? What are you trying to say there Lemmi?

Theo
Beer mate?

lemmiwinks.au@gmail.com

On Apr 10, 3:13 pm, "Theo Bekkers" <tbekk...@bekkers.com.au> wrote:
> lemmiwinks...@gmail.com wrote:
> > How would he unmount the disk first though? I'm going to assume that
> > Theo normally comes up in single user mode.
>
> "comes up in single user mode"
>
> ?? What are you trying to say there Lemmi?

That I'm not very good at puns (or system administration)

> Theo
> Beer mate?

Ta, don't mind if I do!