Mountain Bikers Lobby to Get Bikes Allowed in Wilderness!

maguahiker@gmail.com

thousands of posts later and we are all still waiting for the phantom
articles of Mikey. Your site proves all my points. All
quotes...nothing orignal, nothing written by you with any scientific
background. You merely use everyone elses material and research. The
entire site...quotes with nothing original. I don't count letters to
the editor...those are your only writings. They are merely babbles
similar to what you post here.

Let's see who is lying...hmmm....

your website on pacbell - the one you quote always. Yes or NO...is
this your site? if so. point proven in regards to continued articles
by everyone else except mikey...and qotes from everyone...

You admit to staying in college for a PhD to avoid the draft...you
said it yourself on the site here. remember...you downplayed veterans
and said...My country had better uses for me at home? haha...ok. glad
you got that degree in dietary arts.
You can't deny this you coward.


Working for a company that kills tons of natural areas a year in the
name of "technology advancement"...? what's up with that. You lobby
for nature and then counter it by working for a company that damages
it? You can't dispute this.

Fly to your seminars., conventions...chef's meetings or just dinner
with the fellow lunchladies...more pollution output in flights than a
mtber could dish out in a year...but that's ok...right.

promoted Sierra Club...the company that only lobbies and takes dollars
and really does very little for preservation anymore. They also had
out nice little gifts for joining...Mikey supports these people even
though they don't associate with him anymore...Oh. those nice little
gifts are made in China...one of the biggest environmental destructors
on the planet...but hey...it's ok, right mikey?

You are an asshole Mike. People could post every fact here. You would
still LIE about it. You are the fraud and liar.

We're still waiting for the book info...but hey, even if you do
provide it...it will only be other's information and quotes. I am more
of a naturalist than you ever will be or know to be.

maguahiker@gmail.com

On Mar 28, 8:01*pm, Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> > <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
> > >> thing ever written about it.
>
> > >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
> > >Number?
>
> > That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>


Oh...so you're saying there isn't a book? Oh I forgot...

YOU LIE!!!!

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
>> >> thing ever written about it.
>>
>> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
>> >Number?
>>
>> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>
>Cite please.

Do your own research.
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:40:33 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>thousands of posts later and we are all still waiting for the phantom
>articles of Mikey. Your site proves all my points. All
>quotes...nothing orignal, nothing written by you with any scientific
>background. You merely use everyone elses material and research. The
>entire site...quotes with nothing original. I don't count letters to
>the editor...those are your only writings. They are merely babbles
>similar to what you post here.
>
>Let's see who is lying...hmmm....
>
>your website on pacbell - the one you quote always. Yes or NO...is
>this your site? if so. point proven in regards to continued articles
>by everyone else except mikey...and qotes from everyone...
>
>You admit to staying in college for a PhD to avoid the draft...you
>said it yourself on the site here. remember...you downplayed veterans
>and said...My country had better uses for me at home? haha...ok. glad
>you got that degree in dietary arts.
>You can't deny this you coward.
>
>
>Working for a company that kills tons of natural areas a year in the
>name of "technology advancement"...? what's up with that. You lobby
>for nature and then counter it by working for a company that damages
>it? You can't dispute this.
>
>Fly to your seminars., conventions...chef's meetings or just dinner
>with the fellow lunchladies...more pollution output in flights than a
>mtber could dish out in a year...but that's ok...right.
>
>promoted Sierra Club...the company that only lobbies and takes dollars
>and really does very little for preservation anymore. They also had
>out nice little gifts for joining...Mikey supports these people even
>though they don't associate with him anymore...Oh. those nice little
>gifts are made in China...one of the biggest environmental destructors
>on the planet...but hey...it's ok, right mikey?
>
>You are an asshole Mike. People could post every fact here. You would
>still LIE about it. You are the fraud and liar.
>
>We're still waiting for the book info...but hey, even if you do
>provide it...it will only be other's information and quotes. I am more
>of a naturalist than you ever will be or know to be.

There's no point in communicating with a LIAR. Answer your own
questions.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Siskuwihane

On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
> >> >> thing ever written about it.
>
> >> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
> >> >Number?
>
> >> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>
> >Cite please.
>
> Do your own research.


Ok, I've done that and came to 2 conclusions.

Michael J. Vandeman is NOT an expert on the impacts of mountain
biking.

Michael J. Vandeman uses commercial airlines for travel to
international conferences when he could have use wind powered sailing
vessels, thus he put himSELF above the enviroment, making him a PHONY.

maguahiker@gmail.com

>
> There's no point in communicating with a LIAR. Answer your own
> questions.
> --

Actually...you're the liar.
I don't have to answer them....you have already in all your posts
before...you admit to everything I listed then deny it? All anyone has
to do is look at your prior posts...then again, that would bore them
with the same material from OTHERS and never yourself.

The other day you stated you wrote, with all intentions by the
sentence to deceive...
I wrote the book on the impacts of Mt biking...which by itself could
be taken as sarcasm BUT you added this sentence.

and that is the most rational thing ever written about it.

You are a deceitful liar. Oh, if you would like a link to an example
of actual published articles from me, just let me know. I actually
have a thing or two on the NET besides all the other articles I have
actually DONE. And they aren't lies or copies of other's information
or material...you fraud!

Mike

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:8i0ru3pnve9cjdj7q1ab0eb7j2g0d5e1mc@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
> <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 26, 10:08 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
>>> thing ever written about it.
>>
>>
>>What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
>>Number?
>
> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.

LMFAO !! You're funny!


> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news1pru3t3f9shmuj2ctatta3rr5lo97po8e@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
> <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 28, 7:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>>
>>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Mar 26, 10:08 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
>>> >> thing ever written about it.
>>>
>>> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
>>> >Number?
>>>
>>> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>>
>>Cite please.
>
> Do your own research.


That means Vandeman has no proof, it is just his opinion as, usual.

> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:54:54 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> There's no point in communicating with a LIAR. Answer your own
>> questions.
>> --
>
>Actually...you're the liar.
>I don't have to answer them....you have already in all your posts
>before...you admit to everything I listed then deny it? All anyone has
>to do is look at your prior posts...then again, that would bore them
>with the same material from OTHERS and never yourself.

That's what a "review of the literature" IS, dumdum.

>The other day you stated you wrote, with all intentions by the
>sentence to deceive...
>I wrote the book on the impacts of Mt biking...which by itself could
>be taken as sarcasm BUT you added this sentence.
>
>and that is the most rational thing ever written about it.

That's a fact.

>You are a deceitful liar.

All you ever do is make assertions. You never back them up with DATA,
as I do. That's how we know that you are LYING.

Oh, if you would like a link to an example
>of actual published articles from me, just let me know. I actually
>have a thing or two on the NET besides all the other articles I have
>actually DONE. And they aren't lies or copies of other's information
>or material...you fraud!

Without EVIDENCE, your ASSERTIONS are WORTHLESS, proving that you are
LYING. QED
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
>> >> >> thing ever written about it.
>>
>> >> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
>> >> >Number?
>>
>> >> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>>
>> >Cite please.
>>
>> Do your own research.
>
>
>Ok, I've done that and came to 2 conclusions.
>
>Michael J. Vandeman is NOT an expert on the impacts of mountain
>biking.

Prove it, liar.

>Michael J. Vandeman uses commercial airlines for travel to
>international conferences

Prove it, liar.

when he could have use wind powered sailing
>vessels, thus he put himSELF above the enviroment, making him a PHONY.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Siskuwihane

On Mar 29, 2:56*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
> >> >> >> thing ever written about it.
>
> >> >> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
> >> >> >Number?
>
> >> >> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>
> >> >Cite please.
>
> >> Do your own research.
>
> >Ok, I've done that and came to 2 conclusions.
>
> >Michael J. Vandeman is NOT an expert on the impacts of mountain
> >biking.
>
> Prove it, liar.
>
> >Michael J. Vandeman uses commercial airlines for travel to
> >international conferences
>
> Prove it, liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....ab?dmode=source


From: Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net>
Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
Subject: Re: MTB Training program recommendations

Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
are lots of others

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 29, 2:56*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
>> >> >> >> thing ever written about it.
>>
>> >> >> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
>> >> >> >Number?
>>
>> >> >> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>>
>> >> >Cite please.
>>
>> >> Do your own research.
>>
>> >Ok, I've done that and came to 2 conclusions.
>>
>> >Michael J. Vandeman is NOT an expert on the impacts of mountain
>> >biking.
>>
>> Prove it, liar.
>>
>> >Michael J. Vandeman uses commercial airlines for travel to
>> >international conferences
>>
>> Prove it, liar.
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt....ab?dmode=source
>
>
>From: Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net>
>Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
>Subject: Re: MTB Training program recommendations
>
>Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
>to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
>Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
>are lots of others

What's your point? I walked to an airport. What makes you think I was
flying? Idiot.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

recycled

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:jgduu31nbiqa8ord18qlhv6jrb6s3aulsb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
> <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 29, 2:56 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Mar 29, 2:40 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>>
>>> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >On Mar 28, 7:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>>
>>> >> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >On Mar 26, 10:08 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most
>>> >> >> >> rational
>>> >> >> >> thing ever written about it.
>>>
>>> >> >> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
>>> >> >> >Number?
>>>
>>> >> >> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>>>
>>> >> >Cite please.
>>>
>>> >> Do your own research.
>>>
>>> >Ok, I've done that and came to 2 conclusions.
>>>
>>> >Michael J. Vandeman is NOT an expert on the impacts of mountain
>>> >biking.
>>>
>>> Prove it, liar.
>>>
>>> >Michael J. Vandeman uses commercial airlines for travel to
>>> >international conferences
>>>
>>> Prove it, liar.
>>
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt....ab?dmode=source
>>
>>
>>From: Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net>
>>Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
>>Subject: Re: MTB Training program recommendations
>>
>>Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
>>to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
>>Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
>>are lots of others
>
> What's your point? I walked to an airport. What makes you think I was
> flying? Idiot.
> --
> I am working on creating a neurotics habitat that is off-limits to
> reason ("pure bullshit"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting sanity and rationalism.)

You can't walk to Australia. While it is possible that you took a boat to
Australia and then walked to an airport it doesn't seem at all likely.

Siskuwihane

On Mar 30, 2:42*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 29, 2:56*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Mar 28, 7:42*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Mar 26, 10:08*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> I wrote the book on mountain biking impacts. That's the most rational
> >> >> >> >> thing ever written about it.
>
> >> >> >> >What's the title of said book and the Library of Congress Control
> >> >> >> >Number?
>
> >> >> >> That's an expression. It means I am the expert on it.
>
> >> >> >Cite please.
>
> >> >> Do your own research.
>
> >> >Ok, I've done that and came to 2 conclusions.
>
> >> >Michael J. Vandeman is NOT an expert on the impacts of mountain
> >> >biking.
>
> >> Prove it, liar.
>
> >> >Michael J. Vandeman uses commercial airlines for travel to
> >> >international conferences
>
> >> Prove it, liar.
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt....92593c77e981eab...
>
> >From: Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net>
> >Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
> >Subject: Re: MTB Training program recommendations
>
> >Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
> >to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
> >Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
> >are lots of others
>
> What's your point? I walked to an airport. What makes you think I was
> flying? Idiot.

Yes, you are looking like an idiot.