Paceline down? theories?

TheDarkLord

How big is The Cult - as in how many dudes are registered there? If it is a small group, they will probably migrate to other forums, although there may be logistics involved with the set-up. Or who knows - if people are stupid enough to donate money for FL's defense, they will probably be willing to chip in something to set up a separate forum.

Jeff Vader

I don't think it is down. I've been posting there non-stop. When I think about it, it does seem rather quiet though. Nobody has responded to my posts in weeks.

hawkeye87

LOL Vader!


I recall reading a thread at the Paceline forum that discussed the potential of a forum at the Astana site. But it sounded like it would be on a new Astana site as the setup on Johan's was only temporary.

The Tailwind theory makes sense but it's probably a combination of things.

A few I can think of are:

1. The actual ASO/RCS races start and take place right now. The P-N thread was getting heated. Mind you, mildly so, but by Paceline standards any argument seems to be a no-no.
2. Enough controversial conversations by other users, many new, were causing stress to the Cult members and creating strife. Strife is bad at Paceline.
3. Given the fact that the forum will end someday for an Astana one, perhaps they thought to end it now.

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helmutRoole2

Liberal use of the word journalist.

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Crankyfeet

Isn't there some organization that stops you using the term if you don't have sufficient independence.

Why don't they just cut to the chase and call them the PR puppets that they are. Or "Vice President - American Fan Liaison".

It would be like hiring a pharmacist and calling him/her a team doctor. Maybe there is a better analogy than that...

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Bro Deal

Say what? Every jerkoff with a blog calls himself a journalist these days.

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Frigo's Luggage

I hope I am not offending anybody. But PR people sometimes make me sick. I raised hell to Trek about this story involving Rebellin's "prototype" Klein. http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/?id=2002/news/may01 Treks' PR person Connie Ryland actually called me directly and admitted that she wasn't telling the truth. She didn't seem to mind bending the truth to protect the brand. She refused to retract her statement. I think this obsession over spin and controlling the message is a big problem generally. The press is is such a hurry to produce content that they have stopped diggin into things and are allowing people like Mehl to pass themselves off as journalists when they are really nothing more than biased PR hacks.

I presume that Helmet is still one of the journalists fighting the good fight.

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Crankyfeet

And now its just considered acceptable for some news networks to spin the news and justify it by saying they are serving a niche market. Problem is... how do you know you are getting the truth or not, when lying or "bending" is acceptable?

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Originally posted by Frigo's Luggage...

"[Calling him] 'dickcheese' is the insult of a master. Some people work in oil, some people work in clay. He [thoughtforfood] works in profanity. Open your mind and enjoy its beauty."

Bro Deal

I read an interesting article that described how a lot of what is in the media comes from PR firms. The writer used Lexis-Nexis to search for stories containing the string "The suit is back," which comes from Men's Warehouse's PR firm. They showed a wide range of mainstream newspapers and magazines from the early 90s onward had articles parroting Men's Warehouse PR campaign, but the articles were written as though they were legitimate general interest news stories. It was very enlightening.

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Frigo's Luggage

That type of stuff is also appearing on TV news.

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thoughtforfood

It is called "fark" and there is website dedicated to it http://www.fark.com/ . I read this http://www.amazon.com/Its-Not-News-...05413531&sr=1-1 last year. Much of the "reporting" by media outlets is merely regirgitation of press releases.(not news outlets, news exists only in independent papers and some places on the internet. So few people own a majority of the media we see, that it cannot be trusted in any way. News has been bought by the corporations who advertise around what you watch. Television is an advertising venue with programing, not the other way around. Newspapers are becoming the same thing for the most part.) It is sad.

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limerickman

Agreed : impartial reporting of factual information is becoming less and less.

Whatever about cycling information, it is important that news organisations report the facts and not their interpretation of the facts.

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morelike hypocrisy.

TheDarkLord

Have news organizations ever just reported the facts without their interpretations though?

But coming to journalism, I wonder how the bona-fide journalists feel about the presence of pseudo-journalists such as Mehl. I mean, if someone with no formal training would suddenly start mouthing BS and start referring to himself or herself in the same professional category as what others have reached after years of proper tranining, I would expect them to be royally pissed.

snood

Cathy Mehl biography says.


Worse Cathy Mehl interview of all with Landis.

Quote:

If I personally were reading criticisms of myself or people bagging on my character I would probably lose it, but you’ve had to deal with that a lot since July. How do you deal with the ones that state you are a cheater? What resources do you draw upon to keep yourself on an even keel instead of going off on a rant defending yourself? Do you ever feel like shouting from the rooftops, “Look at me! I’m not a cheater, and have never been one!”