Kloden speaks!

hawkeye87

Regarding the 1st, I cannot imagine that Bruyneel would have been that ignorant to think that Kloden would not have some dirt just waiting to be dug up. Perhaps he is so full of himself and his ability to skirt getting caught that he honestly believed Kloden would be protected. He miscalculated this way with Basso.

Regarding the 2nd question, I would think it would only serve to strengthen ASO's case. It's damned unfortunate that the UCI bungled so badly by allowing Astana to survive after the doping positives from 2007. The ASO should not have the power that they do but the UCI just keeps looking more incompetent to me.

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Klodifan

regarding the rat... coerced testimony is compromised testimony. period.

it is clear there is an agenda and that is to continue to go after riders on the hit list.

thunder

I reckon he is juicing. But.

If you subtract

Basso
Armstrong
Ullrich
Vinokourov
Heras
Beloki
Hamilton
Landis
Mancebo
Rumsas

(Beloki)
Valverde (when on top program)

you almost have a top 10 that has been removed from the Tour. All of those riders are still of age to be in the top 10 in the Tour. All have been banned, or in Armstrong's case, retired before any potential sanction.

Raimondas Rumsas is my example of what dope can do.

Rumsas, no doubt a phenomenally talented rider, BUT, probably no more so that the average pro. I mean, I would take Casar and Moncoutie over him if all were clean.

So, Rumsas, without all the advanatages Armstrong has in money, recources, training, dope, doctor, team etc, rides to within 5 minutes of him on GC. I mean, wtf?

Also, check Rumsas' timetrials. They are also indicative. He only lost about 1 minute over both tts combined.

My point is, Rumsas had a great dope program. But I still think it would have been inferior to Armstrong's dope program.

That is what dope can do.

poulidor

Everyone in cycling world knows that Klöden like top 10 last year, top 20 2 years ago, top 30 3 years ago were on blood doping or EPO program.
For riders with less ranking, the odds are just decreasing : sustained output power keeps the key factor!

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TheDarkLord

The impression I got was that Bruyneel was treating Kloeden as a stepchild. He cannot fire Kloeden right away due to his contract; hence he made some vague statements that he believed Kloeden to be clean etc. That way, if any dirt came up, he has the chance to fire Kloeden under the pretext of "lies and betrayal".

thunder

I wonder if Armstrong was prescient enough to see that Bruyneel was mates with Verbrugghen and he could get protection.

I think he could have had such foresight.

Protection + Spanish doctors + US $$$ and resources

can anyone tell me the Rumsas of 2002 was no different to Armstrong in terms of performance?

Cobblestones

That was low.

TheDarkLord

Where does it say that his testimony is under coercion?

cyclingheroes

Andreas Klöden: "I hope soon the whole situation will be cleared up."
http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id1350.html

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whiteboytrash

Yep they all said it would be "cleared up".........

speaking of which.... paves the way for a comeback with Astana ?
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Berlin - German prosecutors are seeking a deal with former Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich in which an investigation into alleged deception could be dropped, a news magazine reports. According to the weekly Focus to appear Monday, Ullrich would have to pay 1 million euros (1.54 million euros) and admit his involvement in a Spanish blood doping scandal.
According to the report, the prosecutors in Bonn would suspend possible deception charges in which Ullrich's former employer, T-Mobile, is the injured party.
Bonn prosecutors had said last week they would be releasing no interim results of their continuing investigations.

jimmypop

Meant as a joke, but I'm not fond of the smilies. For what it's worth, I like Evans. He was a phenom off-road. I remember a teenage Evans smoking the field in MTB WC races.

cyclingheroes

German media like to repeat Ullrich news as his name is still selling copies... This is news from about six months ago (and maybe even longer...).

Actually I heard that from the state prosecution personally (in 2007!). It seems to me that they have a problem to go to court with the case.... Its a desperate last try as they can't proof that Ullrich was cheating TM.

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whiteboytrash

Well they have no chance now.... T-Mobile were organising the doping ! I'd say Ullrich would love his day in court.... then he can get his darn book out ! "Jan Ullrich: drugs & donuts - my life as a pro cyclists with T-Mobile"