Leipheimer doping

TheDarkLord

But is he better than TT-specialists? OK, Wiggins wasn't there for the last TT, but still...

No_Positives

Six times? Wow, what a sloppy doper he was in the early days. He sure improved his cover-up ability by testing negative 150 times.

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TheDarkLord

Or had connections to cover-up the positives 150 times.

thunder

well, best
Wiggins has done is 5th in the Worlds, Leipheimer has either a 3rd or 4th in 2001.

Bro Deal

Funny how he performs best when he is with Bruyneel.

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Bro Deal

Once is all it takes.

He got caught taking something that wasn't detectable at the time. I wonder what we'd find if the new HGH test was used on old samples.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

TheDarkLord

I haven't followed pro-cycling long enough and you're much more knowledgeable. But what do you think about his last Tour TT? Is it possible for him to have given that performance without being doped? Or were there other riders who you would have expected to have performed better than him?

kennf

Just think if they had a reliable test for autologous blood tranfusions.

thunder

nope, Leipheimer is the best performed GC rider out of the current crop of riders, narrowly shading Menchov and Savoldelli and Simoni. The number of wins. Others had more pretigious wins it must be said.

I thought Evans was the better tter, but not surprising. Karpets was third I think, good timetrialler, but not considered a champion in the discipline.

day 20, anything can play in a GT, especially the Tour.

No one knows what recovery dope they get, so why speculate, qualifier, in Bruyneel's team's case, we know with the Spanish doctors and internet conversations, they get blood deliveries.

Seriously, a blood delivery could be the difference between outside the top 10 and the podium, or the win and the top 10.

Bro Deal

Considering that those three riders each have two GT victories and Leipheimer has zero, I am skeptical. Being the one guy who targets small stage races because he cannot win the big ones does not a great GC man make.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

thunder

if you wanna weight them, the others have him beat.

Bro Deal

It seems to me that Leipheimer has profited by the lack of respect other riders show the smaller stage races. The riders who think they have a shot at winning the big ones are not that interested in anything else except as a training race or a test of form. He has been fairly consistent, but so was Mancebo; and I'm not ready to put Mancebo in the pantheon.

If Tommy D. could ever get healthy, he might be advised to take the Leipheimer approach and target small stage races.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

hawkeye87

Looking at his TDF performance, 2006 was a really tough year for his ITTs. Was that the one where the flu took him down a few pegs? Honestly!

His 2005 TDF ITTs were good.

Again, I still recall just being blown away by his 2007 performance to the point where it just seemed too good all year.

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thunder

that was the story on his tt, he had the flu.

Funny thing is, all you heard from Gerolsteiner was their disappointment.

They were not sympathetic if he was sick. Strangley enough he was there abouts two stages later on the first mtn stage. Go figure, nearly neading hospitalisation with pneumonia.

Then in 2005, Vino kicked his arse in the final stage. Now Disco were so good because they got their recovery dope, whether thn just testo, or insulin, or the supercharged EPO, aranesp, dynepo and blood transfusions.