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30-04.-2008, 01:51 AM
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Re: Road Rage
In article <Xns9A8FAAE51BE4Ewibbled@130.133.1.4>,
Mark T <pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid> wrote: >Ian Jackson writtificated >> Tom can probably get the IPCC to uphold his appeal about the police >> refusing to take details of his complaint. But that's just >> procedural. They'll be told to record the complaint, which they will >> do, and then when they investigate it will turn out that *shock* it >> was all Tom's fault and the police have acted perfectly properly. > >On the bright side the complaint will have been recorded. We simply cannot >have a situation in which the police refuse to record complaints. Well, err, yes. If Tom needs any help or advice he should feel free to contact me. I do a good line in complaint letters (and have had the odd successful court action). My record with IPCC appeals is rather poorer but (even if I do say myself) I think this is more because the IPCC are useless than because of mistakes on my part. If he wants to have the complaint recorded and `investigated' he should in the first instance put it in writing. The address will be on the force's website. In that letter he can also complain about the desk sergeant who wouldn't take the complaint in person. Someone who is complaining against the police will, when the police get their paperwork straight, usually be offered `local resolution'. It is often a mistake to agree to `local resolution' because it precludes any appeal to the IPCC against the findings of the subsequent police `investigation'. -- Ian Jackson personal email: <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/ PGP2 key 1024R/0x23f5addb, fingerprint 5906F687 BD03ACAD 0D8E602E FCF37657 |
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30-04.-2008, 02:00 AM
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Re: Road Rage
In article <usF*lsDbs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >If [Tom] wants to have the complaint recorded and `investigated' But I do want to make again the point that the hope of any globally useful outcome from such a complaint is slim. After all what Tom and I both want is for criminals to be prosecuted. Sadly from this point of view, my own recent complaint has not really been helpful. I wanted to persuade the police to prosecute criminals. Instead they have diverted enormous amounts of their time and effort into arse-covering. They'll do anything but admit they were wrong. Since the system is incapable of upholding any complaint other than on the grounds that the paperwork wasn't done right, making complaints against stubbornly wrong and useless police forces just arranges to give them a lesson in paperwork. That's not likely to make them more useful. That doesn't mean I'm going to give up my own battle. But I do wonder whether others will have the stomach and bloodymindedness to take on a system which appears to have been designed in all its baroque monstrousnouss as a set of machinery for fobbing off, discouraging and generally getting rid of complainants and criticisms. -- Ian Jackson personal email: <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/ PGP2 key 1024R/0x23f5addb, fingerprint 5906F687 BD03ACAD 0D8E602E FCF37657 |
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