Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

thunder

from a purely aesthetic point, the sport is a joke when it surrenders itself to the scientists like Dr Ferrari.

nns1400

What's your point? Because other things are also harmful to youngsters, blood doping doesn't matter?

Here's the education they're getting....blood doping can help you win, or is even necessary to win if your competition is doing it.

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thoughtforfood

Flathead,
What we have is a sport which, in a pure form, awards the person who not only is physically gifted, but smart about the way they race.

What we have now is that the most well funded teams in cycling being capable of buying the best doping/masking Dr's and therefore ruining the purity of the sport. Having the latest technology in terms of the bike is one thing. Having a 40% increase (for further reading regarding EPO, which is old news. The new stuff works as well, and doesn't set off any alarms. Hey it is your own blood...well, there is some special sauce added, but mostly it is your packed blood cells: http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/...rmance-who.html) over your competition is a pretty good thing if you want to win and not have to worry as much about tactics or training. I have no desire to watch a sport in which he who has the most money wins. Cycling, and the effect of being in the wind, produce one of the purest forms of sport.

You can put your head in the sand if you want and believe it isn't that rampant, or that "if everyone is doing it, the playing field is equal" if you want. The reality is that it has been that rampant, and the ones who destroy the field are the ones with the best Dr.'s. If I want to watch a sport where the most money creates the winner, I will tune in to F1 (sorry for those who like it. I watch a lot of racing, and to me it is the most boring because of the money/unregulated technology {this year they appear to be trying to correct that to an extent} aspect).

I want the dope out. It is cheating, and I detest cheating.

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TheDarkLord

So you are saying that if you educate people, they will not cheat or resort to crime in society, etc.? Wow, I wish it were so easy to rid the society of evil.

cyclingheroes

Next round:

UCI versus ASO, Hein Verbruggen: "A split is the best solution."
http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id1309.html

Hein says the French will not be allowed to start at the Olympics and the Worlds....

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Crankyfeet

Now it hits the fan...








McQuaid stands behind Hein Verbruggen in an interview with the press...








Will this be the UCI or ASO?...

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Bro Deal

Velonews' pro UCI take on the situation:

http://www.velonews.com/article/729...snice-threatens

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Crankyfeet

So does anyone think if ASO had dope-testing control over last year's TdF, that Vino would have tested positive? Rermember that it will be impossible for them to test cyclists outside of their events, so they won't be able to catch him beforehand.

I don't trust any organization that is in it primarily for the and shows anger when cyclists test positive at their events.

IMO UCI, as everyone knows, have been corrupt and complicit in the growing problem, but the only chance cycling has for doping accountability IMO, is if they are responsible for policing it. Does anyone honestly think that ASO will want to denigrate their events by making high-profile dope busts during them?

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Crankyfeet

If UCI and ASO split, then we will have the Pro Tour, and the Dope Tour. Maybe Lance will come out of retirement.

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Bro Deal

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...CI-ASO-Feud.php

It looks like Madiot will be bringing his team to P-N no matter what.

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Crankyfeet

Well at the very least... it's going to be an interesting battle. I hear there are some bike races going on this season as well.

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thunder

I agree with most, but in the past, could they have covered up Landis, and why did they not try to?

Heroes case on this was the Swiss powerbase, Rominger, and, forgot his name, the other guy, Biver.

Biver ad Rominger very powerful, but not affiliated with UCI nor ASO. And they took down their riders. Vino, Kash etc.

Evans is with Rominger, and so is Vino.

Biver ran last years Astana (badly), former head of IMG cycling, until they got Rominger's agency.

Biver originally was Rominger's manager and mentor on the business side, then Rominger went on his own. Assume a large degree of partnership before they remerged at IMG.

Crankyfeet

Huh?? Flandis failed an ASO test?
Sorry. Don't understand what your point here is..

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thunder

ASO test, but LNDD have a habit of leaking.

You cannot cover up something when it will be leaked. (not accounting for the matching anonymous samples).

Landis was on Phonak, which was a Rominger team, a Swiss team, that he had a big part compling.