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10-03.-2008, 06:10 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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Originally Posted by cyclingheroes

For me the message is: a growing number of people do not agree with the way the sport is governed.

Cycling is like sibling children caught in a bad parent marriage before divorce.

Cancellara said it best.

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10-03.-2008, 07:07 PM	#137
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12-03.-2008, 10:16 AM	#138
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30-03.-2008, 06:18 AM	#139
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30-03.-2008, 06:40 AM	#140
Powerful Pete Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 3,859	Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough! LOL, he is just admitting reality. Now to see what happens. When will these jokers resign? __________________ De Rosa Planet Campagnolo Per Sempre! PAOLO BETTINI CAMPIONE DEL MONDO x 2!

30-03.-2008, 06:42 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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Originally Posted by cyclingheroes

Hein Verbruggen: "We lost the war against ASO"
http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id1475.html

Obviously, I would not agree with Heiny's statement that cycling lost its battle against ASO.

In fact, if this will lead to him and the other character whom he has on a leash to get sidelined, and thereby cause reform in UCI, it will be a huge gain for cycling.

30-03.-2008, 06:44 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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Obviously, I would not agree with Heiny's statement that cycling lost its battle against ASO.

In fact, if this will lead to him and the other character whom he has on a leash to get sidelined, and thereby cause reform in UCI, it will be a huge gain for cycling.

Agreed.

But only if the ASO/Unipublic/ RCS are adamant about cleaning up the sport
as well.

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30-03.-2008, 06:48 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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But only if the ASO/Unipublic/ RCS are adamant about cleaning up the sport
as well.

Let us see what they actually do now with this new-found power...

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30-03.-2008, 06:48 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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But only if the ASO/Unipublic/ RCS are adamant about cleaning up the sport
as well.

Good point. If the race organizers choose to be outside UCI regulations with the intention of overlooking dopers and thereby avoiding any positives (and ensuing scandals), then it is back to square one.

30-03.-2008, 06:56 AM	#145
Crankyfeet Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: You are here => X Posts: 10,496	Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough! How or why would the race owners spend huge money on year round random testing? All they care about is avoiding bad publicity and preferably no positive tests during the race (similar to much of UCI's past, when ASO thought they were on the same page together). ASO just didn't like being vulnerable to UCI holding the dope scandal card at a time (since the "Pro Tour" creation) when UCI were effectively competitors in sports promotion. Having ASO in charge of monitoring doping at its events has about as much conflict of interest as Enron administering its own internal audit/fraud investigation of itself. Just because the UCI are/have been bad, doesn't make all the enemies of the UCI good. ASO IMHO weren't an enemy of the UCI because UCI farked up the governing of cycling... they were an enemy because UCI farked up their events (one in particular). __________________ Last edited by Crankyfeet : 30-03.-2008 at 07:19 AM.

30-03.-2008, 07:23 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

Prudhomme reacted to Verdruggen
From http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-sp...en/921/0/233317

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Christian Prudhomme said he was "stunned" by the former president of the International Cycling Union Hein Verbruggen, who said that the company ASO was "a new international federation."

"I am amazed. It is still striking that these words of a war lost by the UCI are held by its former chairman and not by the current, Pat McQuaid," said Saturday the director of the Tour de France.

"I have to say clearly that it has never been the intention of ASO to seize power but only to be able to organize our tests. It was never our intention not to comply with the International Federation", " he added.

"If the question is, as it says Verbruggen, a defeat, it seems to me that this is not one of the UCI, but leaders who had seized power."

Hein Verbruggen said Saturday in an interview with Reuters that "the UCI arrives at a point where it must ask the question whether it can continue its work with the professional cycling."

"With the help of french sports minister, Bernard Laporte, and the President of the Republic, Nicolas Sarkozy, ASO has become a federation competitive," he added.

In Saturday's edition of Liberation, Verbruggen also declares that the UCI has "lost the war" facing ASO.

Without repeating word for word on these statements he describes as "fabrications", Prudhomme recalled that the fight against his company reform "forced march imposed by the UCI," was shared by 86% of the organizers who instituted a year ago an action against the Pro-Tour to the European Commission.

"And I am confident that all of these organizers have the desire for reform but not one that the leaders of the UCI have tried to impose by force," he adds.

"I note also that as soon as someone in good faith, wants to sit around a table and work, it always ends with a rupture with the UCI. The latest example concerns the passport blood and the rift between WADA and the UCI. "

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30-03.-2008, 07:24 AM	#147
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30-03.-2008, 07:40 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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Originally Posted by Poulidor - Quote of Prudhomme

"I have to say clearly that it has never been the intention of ASO to seize power but only to be able to organize our tests. It was never our intention not to comply with the International Federation"

Cranky's parody - "Yes...next year... if we do the tests right... we hope to catch many more cyclists doping. We are dedicated to eradicating doping from all of cycling... and cyclists testing positive and other doping scandals at the TdF will help us achieve that. The TdF might have to suffer a bit in terms of TV revenue... but it will be worth it if cycling can be cleaned of this cancer called doping."

Yeah...right.

"It was never our intention not to comply with the International Federation [UCI]".

Yeah right...

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30-03.-2008, 07:47 AM	#149
micron Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 589	Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough! The UCI only test the stage winner and race leader after a stage - ASO stated quite clearly at Paris-Nice that they were glad of the opportunity to be able to conduct more tests than the UCI allowed - and that those tests would be validated by WADA. In that scenario, the UCI are simply unnecessary - particularly when you consider that French riders have had bio passports since Festina. Of course the sport needs a governing body, but it needs one that is prepapred to work with other agencies for the good of the sport - not secret little cabals with hidden agendas trying to grab all the cash and bugger the development of the sport at grass roots level. The UCI under its current leadership simply isn't that organisation - and I doubt that ACO/RCS/Unipublic would want or claim to be, either. Last edited by micron : 30-03.-2008 at 07:54 AM.

30-03.-2008, 07:57 AM

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Re: Chaos in pro cycling: enough is enough!

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The UCI only test the stage winner and race leader after a stage.

So which one of those two was Cristian Moreni after Stage 11 of last year's TdF?

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