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Old 27-02.-2008, 10:35 AM   #16
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Am I missing something? What planet is everyone on? Do you think that ASO can govern cycling? ASO don't give a tinker's cuss about the sport of cyclng or anti-doping. ASO care about the promotion of their events. They will never be recognized by national cycling organizations as the administrator of the sport and/or the administrator of national cycling organizations. IMO, the problem is not getting rid of the UCI because they are crap... the problem is fixing the UCI and fixing the system so everyone is on the same page working together and not in conflict. That means getting UCI out of any ownership of events, keeping the Protour - which ASO need to be a part of, and standardising and uniting a full frontal assault on doping. The UCI should get a share (or tax if you like) of the GROSS of a Protour sanctioned event, and there should be independent monitoring of all lab testing, perhaps by WADA. The UCI have to be held accountable for testing procedure and compliance.


Yes the UCI have governed the sport badly in the past, but the growth of doping was a gradual phenomena where just about every vested interest in the show of pro cycling events wanted to sweep it under the carpet, except perhaps the public. Festina and OP have put an end to this in-house charade of cover-ups.

It costs a lot of money to run a year round anti-doping program. For it to be effective, a lot more money than is being spent now. Unless it becomes impossible to dope without huge risks of detection, doping will continue.

We need to change the system, change the UCI, and get rid of doping. ASO are not going to do that if they have sole power over pro-cycling. If you want to see what happens to a sport when promoters get sole power over governance, watch WrestleMania XXIV on March 30th.

Okay...I'm not the most experienced viewer around here, and I am aware I might be missing an important factor, because I can't comprehend the viewpoint of ASO as righteous advocators, and the UCI (or any independent sporting administrative body) as being worthy of annihilation. So fire away.
Yes, very good point. I am pretty sure someone around here has mentioned it before, the UCI should govern racing and the organisers organise the races. Two seperate parts rather than each trying to out do the other at the detriment of those in the middle, the teams.
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Old 27-02.-2008, 11:00 AM   #17
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ASO has no reason to want to do UCI job, they have better to do, they just probably know that it is time to change UCI, as already some national federation have complained.

It's time for McQuaid to resign and to push out the old Verbbruggen guard.
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Old 27-02.-2008, 02:28 PM   #18
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Yes, very good point. I am pretty sure someone around here has mentioned it before, the UCI should govern racing and the organisers organise the races. Two seperate parts rather than each trying to out do the other at the detriment of those in the middle, the teams.

Nail on head.

However, the problem is that the UCI does have a financial interest. One they are not willing to give up. They will not be satisfied with just being a governing body anymore - too much to lose. That is why they have to go! I really don't think the UCI can be fixed... unless it's done without consent as you would "fix" a cat or dog - wait a minute, that's exactly what ASO is trying to do to the UCI - take away their potency!

Seriously though, if the UCI disappears (and I think ultimately it will) it won't take long before another governing body or framework takes its place. I don't worry at all about the demise of the UCI. The thing I worry about is that the UCI is just as likely to be replaced by another money/fame/power hungry entity as it is a good working system.
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Old 28-02.-2008, 03:23 AM   #19
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Nail on head.

However, the problem is that the UCI does have a financial interest. One they are not willing to give up. They will not be satisfied with just being a governing body anymore - too much to lose. That is why they have to go! I really don't think the UCI can be fixed... unless it's done without consent as you would "fix" a cat or dog - wait a minute, that's exactly what ASO is trying to do to the UCI - take away their potency!

Seriously though, if the UCI disappears (and I think ultimately it will) it won't take long before another governing body or framework takes its place. I don't worry at all about the demise of the UCI. The thing I worry about is that the UCI is just as likely to be replaced by another money/fame/power hungry entity as it is a good working system.


Right. What needs to happen is someone from the IOC come forward, fire all of the incompetent and corrupt UCI bigwigs and rebuild a better, cleaner organization from the ground up.

Until then I'm fine with ASO (and others) organizing races and doping controls being run by WADA.
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Old 28-02.-2008, 03:49 AM   #20
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Right. What needs to happen is someone from the IOC come forward, fire all of the incompetent and corrupt UCI bigwigs and rebuild a better, cleaner organization from the ground up.

Until then I'm fine with ASO (and others) organizing races and doping controls being run by WADA.
You think IOC ?

big mony = big

More mony more corroptin
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You think IOC ?

big mony = big

More mony more corroptin

The teams have confirmed they will all ride - and will meet with UCI next week

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/brev..._184059Dev.html

The FFC are alreadt saying they'll be quite happy to take over testing from the UCI on the grounds that the UCI only test the stage winner and race leader and they can now test who they want when they want.

Surely time for McQuaid to step down and for a UCI head who can actually do the job to take his place.
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Surely time for McQuaid to step down and for a UCI head who can actually do the job to take his place.
Lim for UCI President!!!!
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big mony = big

More mony more corroptin



I agree. This just tells you how long it will take to have a functional UCI. First, the IOC needs to come clean, then it has to reform the UCI.
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Old 29-02.-2008, 04:19 AM   #24
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ASO has no reason to want to do UCI job, they have better to do, they just probably know that it is time to change UCI, as already some national federation have complained.

It's time for McQuaid to resign and to push out the old Verbbruggen guard.

In my position I can't say that but... I am glad somebody else did...

Ofcourse I can't see if I am sharing your view about McQuaid and verbruggen but well...
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Here is a question: What happens if a rider tests positive during Paris-Nice? Does the UCI recognize the doping infraction?
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Old 29-02.-2008, 11:17 AM   #26
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Here is a question: What happens if a rider tests positive during Paris-Nice? Does the UCI recognize the doping infraction?
The WADA agreement is between countries, federations and UCI.

Without UCI, the WADA agreement has probably no value. So we are back at the old system where French can prosecute a positive rider, and ban him on their soil.
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Here is a question: What happens if a rider tests positive during Paris-Nice? Does the UCI recognize the doping infraction?

It probebly depends on who it is...
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Old 05-03.-2008, 04:45 AM   #28
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So, if Velonews has it correct in their latest update, the Pro Tour teams have a choice:
  1. Choose to ride Paris-Nice but realize it is unsanctioned and your riders could face either a 6-month ban or be banned from the Olympics and the Worlds
  2. Choose to not ride Paris-Nice and the ASO decides that you are now opting out of all of their races, including the crown jewel of races.
What rotten choices.
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So, if Velonews has it correct in their latest update, the Pro Tour teams have a choice:
  1. Choose to ride Paris-Nice but realize it is unsanctioned and your riders could face either a 6-month ban or be banned from the Olympics and the Worlds
  2. Choose to not ride Paris-Nice and the ASO decides that you are now opting out of all of their races, including the crown jewel of races.
What rotten choices.

Monty...I'll choose door number 3
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Here is a question: What happens if a rider tests positive during Paris-Nice? Does the UCI recognize the doping infraction?
No one will test positive. Does anyone want to take that bet? I'll give you odds of 2:1.

Good hypothetical point though.
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