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09-03.-2008, 02:27 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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Now we come to the "he wasn't part of 'our' team" portion of the program.

gyspyrey:I do not wish to smear Kloden in any way whatsoever, however I have never understood why JB kept him on....................he must have been very nervous about having him and I have never felt totally at ease with the situation..........................My information is that as a person he is almost unaproachable, he keeps his own schedule and basically does not talk to anyone unless he has to.....................at the training camp he was a total loner and one things for sure he is not a team player...................................There were also rumours that he was to leave at the end of 2008.

Kloden had a contract through 2008. They would have had to pay him for the full 2008 season to get rid of him. But with the way the germans were handling the Ullrich and T-Mobile situation, it was obvious that Kloden would eventually get entangled. They should have just paid him off.

Maybe Kloden's lawyers could make a case that even if he were paid for the 2008 season, not being able to race would damage his chances of getting a good contract for 2009, so he deserves more money than what Astana owes for the 2008 season.

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09-03.-2008, 02:36 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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Guerini was Ullrich's climbing support for years. He was on T-Mobile since 1999. He has to have been on the same program as the rest of Ullrich's TdF crew.

I think there is evidence to suggest that T-Mobile had a clique that was given full support and outsiders to that clique who were on their own. There are too many examples of riders who went to T-Mobile and their performance suffered. The classic example is Botero who went from Kelme to T-Mob to Phonak. His performance took a downturn when going from Kelme to T-Mob, but miraculously improved when he went to Phonak. Other riders who had similar patterns are Julich, Evans, Savoldelli, Livingston, etc. T-Mob was famous for hiring top end riders and not getting anything out of them.

Between Rogers and Guerini I would choose Rogers as being on his own as far as medical preparation goes.

you are right with the assumptions, wrong conclusion.

I think Guerini was getting on, and I see Rogers great ride, I just conclude they did not go to the effort for Guerini but got Rogers on the plan.

Ofcourse, it might be Guerini is old, and he sucked, but he was never to be seen in the mtns. And the only time Rogers has really shown great form was in the 2005 Tour de Suisse.

09-03.-2008, 04:47 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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I would, but it is an effort in futility. You just cannot fix that kind of stupidity. Seems as though we have someone over there with some sense (Archie Leach). I just can't get involved over there because dealing with people like DArtagnon and bambi make me begin to pray for Armageddon, and I need to stay positive as much as possible. Plus, it is more enjoyable to make fun of them here because I don't feel the need to restrain myself as much. There, I would be worried about saying things that would get me banned....again.....for no real reason. I am through getting IP banned. I will remain anonymous and ridicule them here.

I hear you TFF, but just in case you decide to go in there with guns blazing instead of the respectful way you went in the first time, give an announcement in FID so that I have a chance to watch the spectacular fireworks...

09-03.-2008, 05:42 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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speaking of fireworks, there is thread revision actively going on atm on DPF on this topic (Sinkewitz naming Kloeden) - so anyone who wants to see some of the original stuff there had better check it out quickly before complete sanitization occurs

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09-03.-2008, 06:00 AM

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would not wanna get confused would we

09-03.-2008, 06:13 AM

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It looks like that thread is already sanitized to a certain extent unfortunately. Funny how the hardcore fans are clinging on to all sorts of things to find holes in the reporting (this is with regard to Hombre's play on "reportedly admitted").

09-03.-2008, 06:24 AM

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actually, I think it was Vaun Trevi's editing that emphasized the "reportedly admitted" in the first post of that thread - it isn't clear, but other than the first paragraph or so I think currently the rest of that post is actually from Vaun not Hombre...

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09-03.-2008, 06:26 AM

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Oh! Too bad that such idiots are moderators over there.

09-03.-2008, 06:44 AM	#39
thunder Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,558	Re: Sinkewitz in jail ? wonder if House or Bobke or Casa or Hombre will ever return here. They are so welcome

09-03.-2008, 06:50 AM

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wonder if House or Bobke or Casa or Hombre will ever return here.

They are so welcome

Do you really want Casa back? One cannot even argue rationally with him. But I think he will be absent for a while - he seemed really pissed off with the way Helmut played with him last time.

09-03.-2008, 07:32 AM	#41
RdBiker Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Jyväskylä, Finland Posts: 204	Re: Sinkewitz in jail ? What do you guys think will happen to Astana if an investigation is launched and they find Kloden guilty? Does it matter which team he is in now if he gets blown for doping under T-mobile? __________________ It never gets easier, you just go faster Oton ATK Sandisk Mp3-soittimet ja Koss kuulokkeet

09-03.-2008, 07:45 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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What do you guys think will happen to Astana if an investigation is launched and they find Kloden guilty?
Does it matter which team he is in now if he gets blown for doping under T-mobile?

Astana will look like what they are, a haven for riders who want to have the most sophistocated doping techinques. It is kind of their MO, and now that JB is at the helm, they will also have the most sophistocated masking techniques.

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09-03.-2008, 07:46 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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What do you guys think will happen to Astana if an investigation is launched and they find Kloden guilty?
Does it matter which team he is in now if he gets blown for doping under T-mobile?

My guess is that Bruyneel will happily kick out Kloeden, and then say that Astana is truly new and clean with all the old people out of the team (or will someone else be left there?)... I don't know if this will affect Astana itself any more than the current situation; but Kloeden can probably start thinking of retiring.

09-03.-2008, 10:01 AM	#44
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09-03.-2008, 10:17 AM

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Re: Sinkewitz in jail ?

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Okay, I've seen the acronym in other threads now but cannot figure it out.
Could someone please relieve me of my ignorance and tell me what FID means?

The "This Forum Is Dying" thread at the top of the page. Come on up. You're welcome.

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