Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists

Amy Blankenship

"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> I have to question the integrity of anybody who acknowledges problems
>> like gun violence, human-caused environmental crises, and lack of fiscal
>> restraint, yet remains a Republican. Must be the Kool-Aid.
>
> I wonder how he'd do in an acid test.

Anyone else thinking of that scene in "Untraceable"?

Amy Blankenship

"Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fpo880$65s$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:f27c6d4e-5a05-4d62-ace1-f563de6670cb@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Feb 21, 12:57 am, Miles Bader <miles.ba...@necel.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> When they ride in cars, they take less fuel to transport than fat people
>> who don't exercise.
>
> It takes a combination of exersize and learning to live while controlling
> eating. I have exersized for a long time and it is not enough.
>
> With a scale that weighs to the nearest tenth of a pound and spreadsheet
> graphing my weight in tenths of pounds everyday, I can essentially get to
> and sustain any weight I want to be. I also continue to exersize.

And how do you exercise? Does _it_ consume additional energy (such as a
stair stepper or treadmill, or even going to a gym, which then has
light/heat/cooling considerations)? If so, you've just blown your don't
exercise by biking idea completely out of the water, assuming it had any
merit to begin with, which it didn't. If you _really_ believed it, you
would studiously avoid getting _any_ exercise outside the bare minimum you
need to live, to avoid needing additional calories trucked in to feed your
exercise habit.

> BTW with cars that way 4000 pounds, the weight of the person probably does
> not have much effect on MPG.

A 300-500 lb person is a significant fraction of 4000 lbs., and most
vehicles do not weigh 2 tons. If you're driving a vehicle that big, you're
certainly using way more energy to move it than could _ever_ be consumed
additionally by a cyclist.

donquijote1954

On Feb 26, 11:15*am, Bolwerk <bolw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Martin Edwards wrote:
> > donquijote1954 wrote:
> >> On Feb 24, 6:59 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
> >>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> >>>> I think the lack of enforcement is what's stupid. Aren't they banned
> >>>> in other countries?
> >>>> Cell phone policies in different countries and states...
> >>>>http://www.cell-block-r.com/BannedPhones.htm
> >>> "This page lists those countries that have banned the use of a cell
> >>> phone when driving unless used with some form of hands-free kit."
>
> >>> So that's a pretty useless page.
>
> >>> It's the conversation and the dialing that is the distraction, not
> >>> driving with one hand.
>
> >>> In the US, I think only California will have a law totally banning them
> >>> while driving. Watching TV while driving has been illegal forever (the
> >>> TV was legal, but it had to be placed so that the driver couldn't
> >>> watch), but I've noticed a few drivers have installed TV's where they
> >>> can see them anyway.
>
> >> A lot of good things happening in California ever since Conan is the
> >> boss. I'm sure it's not because of his party affiliation, but because
> >> his place of birth.
>
> It's probably because it doesn't take a genius to see that much of
> California was/is an environmental disaster. *It's not as bad as it was,
> but that many cars just isn't environmentally friendly. *(Interestingly,
> California is on the lower end of the scale when it comes to greenhouse
> gases per person.)

I bet our president wouldn't notice such a catastrophe until the
temperature is 95 degrees in the shade in the White House (and the a/c
broke).

>
> Besides that, most of the population lives on the coast and will be
> feeling the effects of global warming this century - including some
> very, very, very wealthy voters (with political connections and checks
> to sign) who no doubt want to keep their gorgeous views.

So it is in Florida. I guess Californians have a higer IQ.
>
> Anyway, it'd be more impressive if Ah-nold were doing this type of stuff
> in Texas or Arizona, where there's limited political will for it.
>
> > Austria has produced a lot of egregious loons, notably Hitler and a
> > disproportionate number of his myrmidons. *I do agree that Arnie is a
> > pretty good governor and a truly strange Republican though.
>
> I have to question the integrity of anybody who acknowledges problems
> like gun violence, human-caused environmental crises, and lack of fiscal
> restraint, yet remains a Republican. *Must be the Kool-Aid.- Hide quotedtext -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or playing the good guy in the movies.

gl4316@yahoo.com

In article <4dWdnQPkaJpDpiPanZ2dnUVZ_vumnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Jack May"
<jack.may@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Miles Bader" <miles.bader@necel.com> wrote in message
> news:buok5kykg0z.fsf@dhapc248.dev.necel.com...
> > Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
> >> How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
> >> and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with
> >> transponders?
> >
> > I think in Jack's ideal world, everybody's body is grafted onto an
> > automobile from birth...
>
> Remember in my world, technology evolves over time to best meet the needs of
> people. That is very different than your world where you want to force
> people to use failed transportation systems that almost all of the people
> have already rejected.
>
> Obviously you want a dictatorship. I want a democracy.


How is the huge amount of government investment that has and continues to
be invested in this technology (which hasn't been implemented yet) somehow
represent less of a democracy than improving other forms of
transportation?

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-Glennl
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gl4316@yahoo.com

In article <H6WdnUYpstYkpCPanZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Jack May"
<jack.may@comcast.net> wrote:

> Sorry you have to meet needs of users to get them to use something, not just
> call them names. That is why people like you never accomplish anything of
> significance in life .
>
> As I said to you previously there is a lot of money and work going into
> developing cars that radically drop the death and accident rates. You have
> presented nothing that will be anywhere near as effective as what is now
> being developed.


Your comments only apply to North America, where transit systems are
designed to be failures by consultants who drive everywhere.

In the rest of the world, transit systems have been developed that are
competitive with driving, and therefore render these expensive highway
systems unnecessary in the first place.

--
-Glennl
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Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
> news:3MHwj.109402$L%6.96256@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H_KdncDIc8_wg17anZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fpo880$65s$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:f27c6d4e-5a05-4d62-ace1-f563de6670cb@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Feb 21, 12:57 am, Miles Bader <miles.ba...@necel.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
>> When they ride in cars, they take less fuel to transport than fat people
>> who don't exercise.
>
> It takes a combination of exersize and learning to live while controlling
> eating. I have exersized for a long time and it is not enough.
>
You could be putting that energy expenditure toward transportation by
riding a bicycle. That would be more efficient than non-transportation
exercise combined with motorized transportation.

> With a scale that weighs to the nearest tenth of a pound and spreadsheet
> graphing my weight in tenths of pounds everyday, I can essentially get to
> and sustain any weight I want to be. I also continue to exersize.
>
> The tenth of a pound tells me when my eating for the previous day is OK or
> if I need a correction. In other words an engineer's view of weight control
> using a tight feedback loop.
>
> BTW with cars that way 4000 pounds, the weight of the person probably does
> not have much effect on MPG.
>
A 4000 pound car is an abomination.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Pat who? wrote:
> [...]
> Bike riders complaining about car drivers is also particulary
> hypocritical.[...]
>
That statement makes no sense at all.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fpo880$65s$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:f27c6d4e-5a05-4d62-ace1-f563de6670cb@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 21, 12:57 am, Miles Bader <miles.ba...@necel.com> wrote:
>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
>>>> In Jack's Utopia new tecknologies won't pollute and big SUVs won't
>>>> kill people. Always up in the future. Just like communism. Big dreams
>>>> and dreary reality.
>>> Your stupidity is running rampant again. The alternative transportation
>>> modes also pollute and kill people.
>> Yep, cyclists kill a lot of innocent people. Sheesh!
>
> You mean when cyclist continually run red lights and ignore most of the
> traffic laws. That leads to accidents with drivers trying to avoid law
> breaking bicycle riders. Of course the death rate for bicycle riders is
> also very high.
>
Nonsense. Now Jack May is just making things up.

> Since you are playing ignorant again, riding a bike require eating more
> food. Food takes a lot of energy in the entire cycle to grow, transport,
> clean up that does that does pollute.
>
The amount of extra food consumed by a cyclist contributes relatively
little to pollution compared to operating a 2 ton SUV.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fpo880$65s$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Yep, cyclists kill a lot of innocent people. Sheesh!
>> You mean when cyclist continually run red lights and ignore most of the
>> traffic laws. That leads to accidents with drivers trying to avoid law
>> breaking bicycle riders. Of course the death rate for bicycle riders is
>> also very high.
>
> Actually, the death rate per mile for bicyclists is not particularly high
> compared to driving.
>
>> Since you are playing ignorant again, riding a bike require eating more
>> food. Food takes a lot of energy in the entire cycle to grow, transport,
>> clean up that does that does pollute.
>
> Another misconception: most people in the U.S. don't get enough
> exercise, so you might as well get the exercise while making necessary
> trips. Also, there are some non-linear effects regarding food
> consumption when people don't get enough exercise.
>
Hey, Zaumen is correct.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Bolwerk

Tom Sherman wrote:
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fpo880$65s$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:f27c6d4e-5a05-4d62-ace1-f563de6670cb@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 21, 12:57 am, Miles Bader <miles.ba...@necel.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
>>>>> In Jack's Utopia new tecknologies won't pollute and big SUVs won't
>>>>> kill people. Always up in the future. Just like communism. Big dreams
>>>>> and dreary reality.
>>>> Your stupidity is running rampant again. The alternative
>>>> transportation modes also pollute and kill people.
>>> Yep, cyclists kill a lot of innocent people. Sheesh!
>>
>> You mean when cyclist continually run red lights and ignore most of
>> the traffic laws. That leads to accidents with drivers trying to
>> avoid law breaking bicycle riders. Of course the death rate for
>> bicycle riders is also very high.
>>
> Nonsense. Now Jack May is just making things up.
>
>> Since you are playing ignorant again, riding a bike require eating
>> more food. Food takes a lot of energy in the entire cycle to grow,
>> transport, clean up that does that does pollute.
> The amount of extra food consumed by a cyclist contributes relatively
> little to pollution compared to operating a 2 ton SUV.

Heh, well, not to say Jack's comment isn't stupid, but if you want to
eat more, you're probably just eating what otherwise would go to waste.
Something like 30% of is lost at the retail level. God knows WTF
happens once it reaches the fridges and cupboards of overweight
suburbanites.

Miles Bader

Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
> Pat who? wrote:
>> Bike riders complaining about car drivers is also particulary
>> hypocritical.[...]
>
> That statement makes no sense at all.

Very little of what Pat has said on this thread has made any sense...

-Miles

--
"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that
you do it." Mahatma Gandhi

Miles Bader

Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
> Pat who? wrote:
>> Bike riders complaining about car drivers is also particulary
>> hypocritical.[...]
>
> That statement makes no sense at all.

Very little of what Pat has said on this thread has made any sense...

-Miles

--
"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that
you do it." Mahatma Gandhi

Eric Vey

Tom Sherman wrote:

>>
>> You mean when cyclist continually run red lights and ignore most of
>> the traffic laws. That leads to accidents with drivers trying to
>> avoid law breaking bicycle riders. Of course the death rate for
>> bicycle riders is also very high.
>>
> Nonsense. Now Jack May is just making things up.

I was thinking about it and I have never seen a bicyclist blow through a
red light. I've been driving for almost 40 years, so the opportunity
certainly should have presented itself by now.

I have heard about it on the 'net, but like a lot of "common" dangers I
have no direct knowledge of it.

Nor have I seen a bicycle cause a car accident. I haven't even read
about one of those and I think that "man bites dog" story would have
made the newspapers.

On the other hand, I saw five cars run red lights yesterday. One didn't
even slow down and blew right past me in the other lane while I had been
waiting for the light to change for at least 45 seconds. Narrowly missed
a crossing car. I had to work at several places 45 miles out of town, so
I drove quite a bit yesterday, maybe 125-150 miles.

Somehow, my experience with "continually" doesn't square with Jack's.

Eric Vey

Tom Sherman wrote:

>>
>> You mean when cyclist continually run red lights and ignore most of
>> the traffic laws. That leads to accidents with drivers trying to
>> avoid law breaking bicycle riders. Of course the death rate for
>> bicycle riders is also very high.
>>
> Nonsense. Now Jack May is just making things up.

I was thinking about it and I have never seen a bicyclist blow through a
red light. I've been driving for almost 40 years, so the opportunity
certainly should have presented itself by now.

I have heard about it on the 'net, but like a lot of "common" dangers I
have no direct knowledge of it.

Nor have I seen a bicycle cause a car accident. I haven't even read
about one of those and I think that "man bites dog" story would have
made the newspapers.

On the other hand, I saw five cars run red lights yesterday. One didn't
even slow down and blew right past me in the other lane while I had been
waiting for the light to change for at least 45 seconds. Narrowly missed
a crossing car. I had to work at several places 45 miles out of town, so
I drove quite a bit yesterday, maybe 125-150 miles.

Somehow, my experience with "continually" doesn't square with Jack's.