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When you're shot, shift to higher gear?

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Old 20-02.-2008, 06:53 AM   #16
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I find by dropping into a bigger gear than I can hang on for a little longer - say on a longish climb or during a 40k effort but the end result is the same - maybe an extra few minutes with bigger gear and lower cadence. If I feel I really, really need to spin - I'm out the back.

Hey above, I really liked that book too. Read it at least once per winter for some motivation. Six months of indoor training and ... well you need something to imagine eh?

In training, if I am worn-out after 2x30' of SST, unable to do a 3rd rep @ my normal cadence of 90-92 rpm, I can often bang off another 30' at 85 rpm, or sometimes even as low as 70 rpm.
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Old 20-02.-2008, 07:47 AM   #17
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Curious. My natural cadence seems to be around 110 - 115. When I don't look at the cadence and just ride and then after a while glance at the computer, it's always in that range. I have to think and concentrate to keep it at any other rate.

I'm curious why would anyone want to ride at a certain cadence (esp. if it is higher than what feels natural to them)? Why is everyone taught to ride like that over there?
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I too will shift up towards the end of a long SST session. Perhaps the calcium ions are less likely to be released from the sarcoplasmic recticulum at lower cadence thereby negating any efficiency gains from higher cadence?
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Old 20-02.-2008, 09:58 AM   #19
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I too will shift up towards the end of a long SST session. Perhaps the calcium ions are less likely to be released from the sarcoplasmic recticulum at lower cadence thereby negating any efficiency gains from higher cadence?

Exactly what I was just thinking today on my second 233 W interval.....damn calcium ions getting hung up again in the old recticulum
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Old 20-02.-2008, 10:15 AM   #20
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In that situation, I will shift to whatever gear gives me the highest power at the cadence that I can handle at that moment. Most of the time, that's a lower gear where I spin more.

Exactly, Steve, that's the issue in a nutshell. So far we've had proponents of the three possible options: gear up with a lowered cadence, gear down with a higher cadence, or stay in the same gear and lower the cadence. (Well, there is a fourth option: quit.)

One poster equated dropping down a gear with "quitting." I know it feels that way because we never want to do it, but you have to do what is required to survive.

I don't have a powermeter on my bike but I've done a lot of experimenting during interval training, and it seems to me that when I've enjoyed as much of a certain gear as I can stand, no matter what I do next is going to result in a decrease in speed; but gearing up seems to result in a greater loss of speed than gearing down. But I can't prove it because these sort of "experiments" are just too uncontrolled. But when I read that quote in Krabbe's book, I started to wonder if I was missing the boat. I still am.
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I'm curious why would anyone want to ride at a certain cadence (esp. if it is higher than what feels natural to them)? Why is everyone taught to ride like that over there?

Probably has a lot to do with the style of racing. High cadence makes it easier to jump across small gaps, deal the micro-accelerations and decelerations that occur in a fast-moving pack, and most importantly, sprint out of corners after slowing way down going into them.
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Exactly what I was just thinking today on my second 233 W interval.....damn calcium ions getting hung up again in the old recticulum

Sooner or later I gots to use that line.
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