Yet another doping threat (Viennese Blood)

Casa

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Crankyfeet

Are you talking theoretically as it would apply to cycling if an instance of this were to occur? As you seem to be someone who feels strongly about this...surely you must have at least one example of a cyclist who has been libeled as a doper by a newspaper or magazine and won his case? The only case of proven libel I can recall is the recent success of Lefevre and Boonen who sued the Belgian politician Jean-Marie Dedecker. Dedecker's allegations were vague (three top Belgian riders doping in Italy). But they did win their case and it was headline news...not buried on p56. I can't recall a journalistic publication that has been successfully sued for libelous doping allegations of cyclist(s). But I may of course be ignorant of one or more. I just find it almost humorous that you don't seem to have any real example of this injustice you are harping about.

The point is Casa...if you (Casa), hypothetically as a pro cyclist, pick the newspaper up and read that someone is implicating you as a blood-doper who uses some lab in Austria...and you (Casa) know that it is complete bullshit, you ring your lawyer, file suit, and unless the newspaper can fabricate evidence and convince a judge/jury, you stand to win millions and have your name cleared. The newspaper however loses much more than the millions in awarded damages. Their reputation is tainted indefinitely.

If you are guilty however and you read the same story, you would probably make some vague statements of denial yourself publicly and jump around a bit, metaphorically speaking, but you wouldn't file suit because if the evidence went to court, you would be hosed. This seems to be the normal reaction we see.

Again...please name the cyclists that won cases of libel against newspapers or magazines that accused them of...or named them as associated with...doping. You would think that you would have a list of hard-done-by examples.

cyclingheroes

Try to find the original articles on the ARD website... you won't find them anymore. Stories with cyclists also dissapeared.

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limerickman

CF : House/Maison/AOM/Huiz/Casa entity - is doing a "flyer".

He repeats the same points over and over again - and when asked to provide proof - he can't provide the proof.

He's been asked 5 times in this thread alone to provide the name of 1 rider - and he can't.

Until he posts the name of 1 rider who has sued for libel, his posts will be moderated.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

Think about.

If an accusation published in the media is the only determinent of guilt - and it transpires that published accusation is false - not only would riders be queuing up to sue the media, the riders would also be able to sue the team sposnsors and the UCI who imposed bans and deprived those riders of their livelihood.

You'd think that even one falsely accused rider would be time trialling his way down to the court to get his claim against the publishers/team/UCI in.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Gregers

Moderating the Man-of-Many-Names will just give him something else to bitch about. You will be familiar with the usual ritual denunciations -conspiracy to prevent the truth coming out, scared to engage him in argument, moderating his comments proves he's right, zzzzzz and so on. Why not just let him spout his hollow claims and give the likes of Cranky, as above, the opportunity to undermine his fallacious arguments. I'm pretty sure there are a few others on here who can carry on doing the same.
Oh, and Go Munster.

limerickman

BroDeal, Crankster and TDL have asked him to put up - and he fails to deliver.
So we'll leave BroDeal, Crank and TDL questions out here on this thread - and if our friend does manage to deliver one name then he can contribute.
Until then..........status quo, I'm afraid.

This is gradual process Greg : as with his other incarnations, he reverts to type.
I have no intention of him cluttering up any thread with repetition of his lies, no least because the members who actually contribute something to these Fora should not have to re-read the same shite posted by him

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

TheDarkLord

Add baiting others by calling them cowards to the list. The problem is that even when presented with logical arguments as to why he is wrong, he sticks to the same argument again and again. If someone is open enough to think rationally about arguments and counter-arguments to a hypothesis, and then make a logical conclusion, a debate is meaningful. This however, is just a waste of energy. I don't know if he is just incapable of seeing the fallacies of his argument, or whether he is just trolling for fun.

Gregers

Fair enough, though I am quite entertained by CFs superior intellects mocking the fuckwitted speciousness of what passes for his 'arguments'.

limerickman

Brodeal, TDL, Crank and others replies - their content of their points are accurate and logical.

However, when our friend is shown up for what he is - he resorts to type and starts trying to insult fellow members, sending threatening private messages to other members, posting messages containing lies about other members.
Just as he did when he was here using the (now banned) indentities House/Maison/Casa/Huiz.

Which is where I step in - and moderate him.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Cobblestones

Now it could be that the original reporting was shoddy and based on bad investigations and unconfirmed hearsay evidence at which point the ARD lawyers pulled the plug because they were afraid of a lawsuit. I think this is in the realm of possibility.

Another possibility is that some business type within the ARD looked at the numbers and decided that biathlon is too valuable, and, with the TdF disaster in fresh memory, he or she pressured a stop to the reporting, at which point, I hope, the story might be picked up by a different news outlet. I think this might be the most likely, because it could also explain why cyclists were named in the original story (ARD ceased reporting on cycling during the 2007 TdF), while biathletes weren't (and ARD is blissfully continuing to report on that).

Another possibility is a greater conspiracy between the media (ARD), the DSV (German Ski Federation I believe) and political powers higher up. I doubt this, because in that case, the story would probably never have seen the light of day in the first place.

So, what's your pick?

cyclingheroes

My pick is a mix from the second and third possibilty. The German governement supports Garmisch-Partenkirchen. The city is a candidate for the winter olympics....

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TheDarkLord

Ok dude, I will make one last point. How many people have you seen here defending your viewpoint? I think the answer is zero. Maybe it should strike you that if nobody thinks there is any merit in your argument, your point is probably wrong? Or do you think that everyone here is too stupid?

italiano

Back to topic:

Mafia played role in story ritrival.? I think so but not sure..

Lim, I found this troll very special casa…you need for ever put him in it, please…

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