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12-01.-2008, 01:20 PM
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Re: Bizarre interview with FL
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actually House, that is expedience. The real problem is doping. Those guys have no interest in protecting the sport. The reason why they appeal post hoc to due process, is because they got nabbed. Fix doping first. Then fix due process. On the weight of things, the due process argument is insubstantial. If you wish to talk about due process and human rights, lets talk G-Bay. These cyclists can go get a gig on a construction site. When was their liberty denied? |
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12-01.-2008, 01:20 PM
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Perhaps. But if an American athlete lies in an American court, then they leave themselves open to charges of perjury. Watch that space.
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12-01.-2008, 01:22 PM
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well, Armstrong lied. lets see Floyd testify before some Senate inquiries, like Jones et al. Lets see Armie called up. Landis wanted his fans to petition congress. |
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12-01.-2008, 01:22 PM
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Re: Bizarre interview with FL
Landis has made some really interesting choices in his defense. My favorite was his threat to come looking for financial payback if he was exonerated. Or as I like to think of it, "If you find me innocent then I'll sue you."
I think the thing that he is most concerned about now is when his suspension ends. Maybe that is why he appealed after wavering on whether he would or not. It will suck for him if CAS starts his suspension after the MTB races he did last summer.
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12-01.-2008, 01:26 PM
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Armstrong lied, of course. But he didn't lie in formal proceedings.......that's why he wouldn't go to France to challenge David Walsh (despite saying that he would bring libel charges). The French courts await Mr Armstrongs appearance - should he feel so emboldened to live up to his promise to sue Walsh for alleged libel. With the Jones judgement........I would suggest that dopers would be less inclined to lie in American courts now. If they're found guilty.......
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12-01.-2008, 01:30 PM
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Lim Armstrong lied in testimony in the SCA civil case. Definitely lied. However, lying in civil cases is the equivalent to bowell movements. Everyone does it  |
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12-01.-2008, 01:33 PM
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Would civil court perjury - be a criminal offence under US law?
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12-01.-2008, 01:36 PM
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Re: Bizarre interview with FL
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Landis is still pissed he's the fall guy for this sport and I think he's probably more pissed at the way things ended and is unable to blame himself. I hope he sues his lawyers. |
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12-01.-2008, 01:36 PM
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House, only is so far as an enforcement regime is integral to solving the doping problem. I would attest, it is not as important as a culture shift. Yes, you need an effective deterrent, but the culture shift comes first, perhaps you might argue that a testing regime is the catalyst for a culture shift. That may have relevance, but you are too stupid to make such a nuanced argument. |
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12-01.-2008, 01:40 PM
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Ah, yes, typical ................moderated.
House, your response was not addressed to username.
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12-01.-2008, 01:55 PM
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I think I won that argument Housie. |
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12-01.-2008, 02:32 PM
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Simply put, yes. |
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12-01.-2008, 02:33 PM
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Lying in a court of law is lying in a court of law. What difference does it make what the underlying proceeding is? The violation is . . . lying in a court of law. It's a crime. |
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12-01.-2008, 02:34 PM
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Forgot to add, for what is he going to sue his lawyers? |
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12-01.-2008, 09:11 PM
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Re: Bizarre interview with FL
Flandis shows poor memory, ….. or he is non sweeti proposted to pubblic osservazion .…
Who insistit pubblic hearing? Who declare destroy WADA sistema? Who organize disinformation frenzy? Who sent his “moderatori” in cyberspace? Who played game with process and blamed many of retardation process? Who put his own famiglia interest below his “causa”? Who made psicotic Will his manager generale? Who charge 500$ for riding bici or dining with him? .. Flandis conveniently forget own intenzional decision “go pubblic” -- elevating confrontation above animosità unseen... Stop crying…take responsabilità dude to own action. There was another way.. you choosed blew it..and extort many money along this roadway…
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