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30-01.-2008, 07:49 AM	#151
doctorSpoc Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 992	Re: Bizarre interview with FL here is a really good timeline of the events of the BALCO case.. has both legal and sporting testing arbitration events... you will see exactly the hows and whats of how the feds proceeded starts at the bottom and goes up... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/balco-timeline.htm

30-01.-2008, 07:51 AM

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what do you think would happen to a doctor writing 100s prescriptions for EPO or steriods to healthy olympic or pro atheletes? doctors can't just write prescription for anything without a valid reason.. what do you think would happen to a doctor writing 100s of prescriptions for oxycotton for no valid reason?

Who says they are breaking into the doctor's office? They are (hypothetically) raiding the athlete's home and finding perhaps one prescription. Not 100's of them from one doctor. Of course, they could then break into the doctor's office and find out his list of patients. But a lot of PED medications can be excused on medical grounds. It is not about the truth here. Its about the ability to cover one's ass.

In any case... I'm a bit lost again on what your point is? Is it that the feds have lots of ammunition to go looking for athletes who are prescripton drug abusers?

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30-01.-2008, 08:09 AM

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ok so lets take one doctor and one patient who happens to be a healthy pro cyclist... doctor writes a prescription for EPO and patient subsequently gets caught... well doctor would likely lose his licence... this is reguardless of who investigated him... the doctor is taking a risk any way you slice it.

may nain point is that what makes the feds more effective is that they can break down doors and search your house in the middle of the night, they can question you and if you lie, you go to jail.. even if you just don't answer they can put you in jail.. they can tap phone lines... supeona phone records... get your email from your ISP.. they have access to labs and millions of dollars in resources... what does WADA have compared to that... unannounced testing... woopdy doo... also what it the punnishment? so i lose my ability to race... it's bad but i can move on... at least i still have my freedom and don't have to go get sodomized in some federal pen somewhere.

30-01.-2008, 08:19 AM

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Agreed on Fed powers... official or not... but I think most of us are... so I can't understand why you're getting your knickers in a knot with everyone.

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30-01.-2008, 08:40 AM	#155
nns1400 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Didn't you ask for directions? Posts: 6,114	Re: Bizarre interview with FL It's Oxycontin... __________________ This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

30-01.-2008, 09:03 AM

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Re: Bizarre interview with FL

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I think that bust was in part responsible for the Mitchell report.

You are 100% correct.

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Great post Dottore Spock! Correct: WADA weapons sudden tests and athletical passport soon. This is very ineffective.

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Agreed on Fed powers... official or not... but I think most of us are... so I can't understand why you're getting your knickers in a knot with everyone.

Not everyone…

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30-01.-2008, 09:21 AM

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It's Oxycontin...

thanks... i can't spell my way out of a wet paper bag... spell check has rotted my brain... don't even try anymore...

30-01.-2008, 09:24 AM

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Re: Bizarre interview with FL

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It's Oxycontin...

yeah, that's what it says on the label

30-01.-2008, 09:28 AM

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You are 100% correct.
Great post Dottore Spock! Correct: WADA weapons sudden tests and athletical passport soon. This is very ineffective.
Not everyone…

Oh look ... it's italiano "I hitto my heado anna canna no longero speako da Anglo" chiming in from Tuscany...

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30-01.-2008, 09:41 AM

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thanks... i can't spell my way out of a wet paper bag... spell check has rotted my brain... don't even try anymore...

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30-01.-2008, 11:42 PM

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Oh look ... it's italiano "I hitto my heado anna canna no longero speako da Anglo" chiming in from Tuscany...

Pulling a hoax is meaningless unless you're going somewhere with it.

BTW, the other day I hit my head in a bicycle crash and now I speak and write fluent Dutch.

Kunt u wat ik lezen schrijf?

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30-01.-2008, 11:52 PM

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Re: Bizarre interview with FL

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Now that government police are involved in pursuing drug taking in sports, the days of sports authorities turning the other cheek may be over.

How does the FBI prosecute though? It seems that most PED's are not illegal. They just contravene the rules of a particular sport. The Bonds/Jones busts were more about lying than drug taking. Its like they say... tell us the truth and wreck your career... or lie and we'll put you in jail and wreck your career.

So how do they get search warrants? Suspicion of possessing a drug without a prescription??

Countries need to actually legislate for doping in sport - in order to enpower the civil authorities to take action.
Sport doping is actually legislated against under French law.

Whereas here - we don't have such legislation, although it is being considered.
Over here, if someone was found with vials of EPO in their car by the police - they could be prosecuted under another piece of legislation.
However, the end user for the EPO would not be prosecuted (in all probability).

I think specific legislation should be enacted in all countries - that way you can charge the supplier, the facilitator and the end user.

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30-01.-2008, 11:58 PM

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this is why Pound was trying to go through the UN for this... to get contries to sign a treaty rather than going to each country in the world individually... otherwise would take too long and would end up with differenent rules in every country

31-01.-2008, 12:02 AM

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Which makes sense.

WADA has been signed up to most sovereign goverments (IOC made signing up compulsory prior to 2004 Olympics, if nations wanted to take part in the Olympics).

Perhaps WADA need to present a template legal document via UN - then it might quicken the entire process??

31-01.-2008, 01:28 AM

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Countries need to actually legislate for doping in sport - in order to enpower the civil authorities to take action.
Sport doping is actually legislated against under French law.

Is it sporting fraud? Or does it go by a different name?

Just interested.

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